Why No Signal?

[tref]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Why do you think on the majority of traveling and offensive foul calls, the calling official does not give a signal to stop the clock??

Originally Posted by billyu2

Most who neglect to are usually those also doing college ball.

NCAA requires a stop clock signal in those situations, no?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tref

NCAA requires a stop clock signal in those situations, no?

Yes.

And, I disagree with the premise of the OP.

[Adam]

When I first started with some actual training, we were taught that on PC fouls, the hand behind the head WAS the stop clock signal.

[bainsey]

We were taught, when you blow that whistle, you better have a hand up, a fist up, or two thumbs up.

Never really gave it much thought, but why have a "stop the clock" signal on violations? Is there any time the whistle itself doesn't stop the clock?

[tref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Never really gave it much thought, but why have a "stop the clock" signal on violations? Is there any time the whistle itself doesn't stop the clock?

Say the push caused the travel. One official has a fist up & the other just gives the travel signal. Resume play...

I think without the stop clock signal prior to all fouls/violations we dont allow ourselves (HS & small college) an opportunity to discuss & get the play right in the case of conflicting calls.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

Say the push caused the travel. One official has a fist up & the other just gives the travel signal. Resume play...

I think without the stop clock signal prior to all fouls/violations we dont allow ourselves (HS & small college) an opportunity to discuss & get the play right in the case of conflicting calls.

That is a good reason...it gives a brief preliminary communication to your partner about the nature of the call you have.

Secondly, I know I've been in gyms so loud at the end of a close rivalry game that the scorer/timer just couldn't hear the whistle no matter how loud we blew it. The only thing they had to go on was the raising of our hand.

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by tref

I think without the stop clock signal prior to all fouls/violations we dont allow ourselves (HS & small college) an opportunity to discuss & get the play right in the case of conflicting calls.

This is exactly why I hate going straight to the jump ball signal instead of putting my hand in the air first.

[APG]

I don't know what's stopping officials from discussing a play even if one comes up with a travel/jump ball and the other a foul...in fact I've seen this scenario play out plenty of times. Get together...discuss the order of events...tell the coach one event happened before the other...continue on.

The only reason I can see for going hand straight up is possibly if the gym is real noisy...and to slow down an official that needs it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

This is exactly why I hate going straight to the jump ball signal instead of putting my hand in the air first.

I've gone to this as well, for the same reason

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

This is exactly why I hate going straight to the jump ball signal instead of putting my hand in the air first.

In what mechanics rule set (NFHS, IAABO, NCAA-M, NCAA-W, FIBA, NBA) are you supposed to put your hand up before giving the a held ball signal?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

We were taught, when you blow that whistle, you better have a hand up, a fist up, or two thumbs up.

Never really gave it much thought, but why have a "stop the clock" signal on violations? Is there any time the whistle itself doesn't stop the clock?

Coaches do look for that preliminary signal, especially on a double whistle.