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Mark Padgett Tue Mar 18, 2003 07:32pm
Aw, Juulie - don't take the fun out of it.
 
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Originally posted by rainmaker
The sassy remarks that are so fun to read on this board, usually don't work in real time.
Sure they do.

rainmaker Wed Mar 19, 2003 01:53am
Re: Great list Juulie.
 
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Originally posted by JRutledge
I love Juulie's list, I truely do, but you have to bring your own things to the table. Because I know many officials that do not subscribe to things she does on her list and it works out perfectly.
This is very true. Also, I think that women coaches respond differently than men coaches, and both respond differently to women refs than men refs. I wish I was more capable of inserting the positive attitude thing, but I'm not there yet. Something I need to work on.

I also have to confess that I broke one of my own rules today, I smarted off. Coach was criticizing an OOB call, he felt I called it from too far away (and that it was the wrong direction!). Next trip at the other end, I called a foul in his favor. As I went to report, I said "Did you see that foul coach? No? Really? Well, fortunately, I was in position and saw it very well." He quit complaining, but I don't think this was a particularly good way of handling it. I guess it's three steps forward, two steps back.

JRutledge Wed Mar 19, 2003 02:06am
Re: Re: Great list Juulie.
 
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Originally posted by rainmaker
This is very true. Also, I think that women coaches respond differently than men coaches, and both respond differently to women refs than men refs. I wish I was more capable of inserting the positive attitude thing, but I'm not there yet. Something I need to work on.

I also have to confess that I broke one of my own rules today, I smarted off. Coach was criticizing an OOB call, he felt I called it from too far away (and that it was the wrong direction!). Next trip at the other end, I called a foul in his favor. As I went to report, I said "Did you see that foul coach? No? Really? Well, fortunately, I was in position and saw it very well." He quit complaining, but I don't think this was a particularly good way of handling it. I guess it's three steps forward, two steps back.
And if you throw in racial backgrounds of the officials and coaches and players, you have other factors too. But most here do not want to talk about that. :D

You know sometimes I use sarcasm to make a point. It works for me often, but you have to pick your spots. Maybe this was one of those spots. As I said, this is an art, not a science.

Peace

rainmaker Wed Mar 19, 2003 02:15am
Re: Re: Re: Great list Juulie.
 
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Originally posted by JRutledge
And if you throw in racial backgrounds of the officials and coaches and players, you have other factors too.
As discussed in the Violet Palmer article.

JRutledge Wed Mar 19, 2003 02:22am
Re: Re: Re: Re: Great list Juulie.
 
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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by JRutledge
And if you throw in racial backgrounds of the officials and coaches and players, you have other factors too.
As discussed in the Violet Palmer article.
I thought I was the one that interjected race in that discussion? ;) Before you know it, I will be blamed for Weapons of Mass Distruction and the UniBomber. ;)

Peace

just another ref Wed Mar 19, 2003 02:22am
Re: Great list Juulie.
 
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Originally posted by JRutledge
You hardly know he is out there on the court....
Half the time I just forgot he was even out there when I watched all his games this weekend.
This, to me, is quite a compliment to an official. The point is that people notice and remember you when you screw up. I have a friend that is a basketball and baseball coach who occasionally calls some little league baseball in the summer. One year at the local all star tournament he had called third base for a whole game without my noticing him. (to tell the whole story, I believe he actually stood there for the whole game without having a call to make) After the game when I told him I hadn't even noticed who he was, he replied, "Good! I'm out there to run the show, not to <b> be </b> the show." I didn't tell him, but I liked that quote and have used it several times.

JRutledge Wed Mar 19, 2003 02:32am
Re: Re: Great list Juulie.
 
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Originally posted by just another ref


This, to me, is quite a compliment to an official. The point is that people notice and remember you when you screw up. I have a friend that is a basketball and baseball coach who occasionally calls some little league baseball in the summer. One year at the local all star tournament he had called third base for a whole game without my noticing him. (to tell the whole story, I believe he actually stood there for the whole game without having a call to make) After the game when I told him I hadn't even noticed who he was, he replied, "Good! I'm out there to run the show, not to <b> be </b> the show." I didn't tell him, but I liked that quote and have used it several times.
That is easy in baseball. Especially when you are on the bases. But usually one call a game will cause some kind of controversy. You have no choice but be the show.

Peace

Blackhawk357 Wed Mar 19, 2003 05:07am
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Great list Juulie.
 
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Originally posted by JRutledge
I will be blamed for Weapons of Mass Distruction and the UniBomber. ;)

Peace
Finally!! Someone outside the state of Montana wants responsibility for the uni-bomber!!
We'd give you the Freemen, too, if you'd like :D

Thanks, Rut~

[Edited by Blackhawk357 on Mar 19th, 2003 at 04:11 AM]


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