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[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by canuckrefguy
So much for any chance of this NOT turning into Canadians and Americans bashing each other.

Not by me, Canuck. I like Canada and have traveled thru it many times. I happen to disagree with its gov't at this point; just as you disagree with the one here.

Chuck

[canuckrefguy]

No worries...

And you're right about our PM, by the way. He is what you folks would call a Democrat. I'm no staunch "Republican", but I'm no big fan of Jean Chretien, either. But I still agree with his stand on the war.

And if the NCAA changes their mind and overhauls the tournament because of it, I'll be REALLY choked.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by canuckrefguy
So much for any chance of this NOT turning into Canadians and Americans bashing each other.

Do not be worried about a bunch of people that cannot point out Maine on a map. Americans are not all that smart and intellegent about other world leaders. They only concern themselves with their own.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by canuckrefguy

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My hopes and good wishes go out to your Armed Forces. Our Prime Minister refuses to commit military support unless the U.N. mandates it, a position I support. Any Americans who criticize us for that should remember that it took over two years for you folks to pitch in against Adolf Hitler.

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I can't let this pass without comment becase it is untrue. Well before the US "entered" WW2 we gave mountians of arms, ships & vehicles to both the Soviets & the British. We also provided the naval support (ie armed forces) needed to get that equipment from here to there. We exchanged technology and information, most notably the Norden bomb sight, some ciphering technology & equipment as well as information gathered through spys. This was done because FDR and his administration was committed to defeating the Nazis even while the opinion polls showed the American people were overwhelmingly isolationist (so much for popular opinion). We were in fact "in the war" years before we "declared war".

Edit to comment that cannuckrefguy has lost this argument by virtue of Godwin's Law. It's true! Look it up!


[Edited by Dan_ref on Mar 19th, 2003 at 01:02 PM]

[Adam]

Good point, Dan. It's my understanding that this was one of the reasons Japan attacked. Our involvement was hurting them. Bad decision on their part.

Adam

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by Dan_ref


I can't let this pass without comment becase it is untrue. Well before the US "entered" WW2 we gave mountians of arms, ships & vehicles to both the Soviets & the British. We also provided the naval support (ie armed forces) needed to get that equipment from here to there. We exchanged technology and information, most notably the Norden bomb sight, some ciphering technology & equipment as well as information gathered through spys. This was done because FDR and his administration was committed to defeating the Nazis even while the opinion polls showed the American people were overwhelmingly isolationist (so much for popular opinion). We were in fact "in the war" years before we "declared war".

Well everything you are saying does not apply to the French at all. The war has not even started yet. They just are not agreeing with the purpose of the war that the U.S. is using to justify the war to the United Nations. They are a member of the UN Security Counsel and disagree with the methods that the U.S. are taking. Not much different than what we did during the beginning of World War II. And the French have offered help to the U.S. and Britain if the war took a certain turn. And if we did not give things to these 30 countries, they would not be backing this effort either.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally posted by JRutledge
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And the French have offered help to the U.S. and Britain if the war took a certain turn.

Peace

Yeah...doesn't anyone else find it interesting that the French have been saying all along that there is NO evidence that Iraq has chemical and biological weapons, but now say that IF Iraq uses chemical and/or biological weapons, then they will get involved and help us out??? There's some great logic for you...

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by rockyroad


Yeah...doesn't anyone else find it interesting that the French have been saying all along that there is NO evidence that Iraq has chemical and biological weapons, but now say that IF Iraq uses chemical and/or biological weapons, then they will get involved and help us out??? There's some great logic for you...

I do not recall them ever saying that they had no chemical or biological weopons, they just do not feel that it means war. But it seems to me that Saddam Hussian could have done nothing to prevent war at all, because Bush made this personal from the very beginning. Funny we hear almost nothing about Al Queda or North Korea from the Bush Administration. Better yet why not Iran? What happen to the Axis of Evil? How could we forget, none of them tried to kill his daddy.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by JRutledge

Well everything you are saying does not apply to the French at all....

Very astute...but I was making my comments with respect to the Canadians, not the French.

[ChuckElias]

Sorry, Brad. I tried to say that this should be done via email. . . I'm leaving the thread now. . .

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Sorry, Brad. I tried to say that this should be done via email. . . I'm leaving the thread now. . .

You remind me of my younger son, who will rile up the dog then leave the room to go someplace quiet to do his homework...

[just another ref]

if only those two guys had known that the clock wasn't
supposed to start when the ball hit the rim.