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That's pretty close. If we don't see an out, it has to be a <s>no-call</s> safe, but we have to say, "Safe". ;) mick |
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To me,the accidental eye poke is like the accidental high stick in hockey - the defender may not have meant to do it, but when it happens, it should be a foul. I know it is not always called that way, but I wish it was. |
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Heh...this last post reminded me of the time when Danny Ainge was doing color commentary for TNT during a Utah Jazz game, and said, "One of these times, all five of the Utah defenders are just going to fall down." Referring to how the Jazz flop, and with Ainge just ending his tenure in Phoenix, it was pretty damn funny.
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2-whistle. I'm trail. Girl drives down the lane and right at the key moment, a defender screens me from the ball handler. Just as I take a step forward, the player goes down in a heap. I hesitate, waiting for my partner to bail my sorry self out, and then....I blow my whistle and call a block on the girl that has her leg right about where it would need to be to trip the driver on the way by. I made the right call, I know, because the girl put her hand up like they used to have to in the old days. My fault I got screened, but I figure it would be worse to not call anything in this situation than to make an educated guess. Beat me up now :) Rich |
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I am not talking about imagining contact where none occurs. Read the whole post please. I stipulated that the ref must see the poke in the eye. Hockey is no different. You have to see the high stick to call the high stick. The principle that I was referring to in my post is very applicable - you have to be in control of your hands, arms, etc, just like the hockey player must control his stick. Accidents that result in illegal contact are fouls. Seeing a player fall or grab an eye does not result in a foul if you see only the result and not the contact that caused it. I did not see the UNC-Duke game, so I don't know if it was a good or bad call (or no-call). I have seen many refs treat an accidental eye poke that they saw as incidental contact. I have had a ref tell me that he saw it, it was an accident, therefore no call. I strongly disagree with that opinion. |
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We would not even be talking about this..........
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So what you are telling me, a ball handler can only fall as a result of something illegal from the defense? Please tell me you are not serious? If you are, you might need to see more plays. I see ball handlers all the time fall and the defenders were in legal guarding position and just standing there. Just because there is contact, does not mean anything illegal took place. Calling all contact a foul to me is an easy way out. If you did not see a play, do not just make something up. You might be totally wrong. Peace |
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Sitch: A defender has gained legal guarding pos. on your post player who is a good 6 inches taller than the defender who is behind her. Your girl recieves the ball and turns to make a move and leans into the outstretched hand (motionless w/in legal vertical plane) of defender. Would you be happy if I called a PC on your post player or if your player was the defender if I called a block. I think not. Sometimes contact is purely incedental and unfortunately injuries do happen sometimes do to incidental contact. It is not our responsibility to penalize the other team because of this |
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