Alright all you referee junkies, here's the situation:

-HS Girls Varsity game ~ Semi-final State Tournament
-Team A head and shoulders above the rest of the field,
could compete with most NAIA Women's teams.
-Team A up by 30 with about 4 minutes left in the game.
-A1 shoots a three from the top of the key, nothin' but net ~
-B1 knocks A1 down boxing out, well after A1 had returned to the floor, but before the dead ball.
-Coach B is used to winning, frustrated to no end, and thinks that Team A is running up the score ~ Not Happy.
-You report the foul on the floor and score the basket for 3.
-You think it should be a bonus, scorer says 6.
-Switch, and your partner inbounds ball to Team A on the sideline ~ scoreboard still says 6.
-Team A Throws the ball in, makes 3 passes and throws the ball away on the baseline.
-You're ready to inbound the ball as the new trail, look at the time and notice the scoreboard now says 7.
-Coach A is oblivious, as is Coach B, your partner, and the entire crowd.
-You know the situation, and how to handle it by the book, you also know that as soon as you hand the ball to B1 for the throw-in, the time frame for correcting the error is over. In an effort to maintain what little flow you have to this game, you say nothing and quietly hand the ball to B1.

Here's the Question~
Have you just contributed to a healthy flow by not rubbing salt in the wound of Team B and showing off your rules knowledge, or have you committed a serious breach of ethics by setting aside a rule?

Tough call, Blackhawk357 !
My knee jerk reaction is to put the ball in play, ... and right now!
mick

I’ll let you be your own judge.

What I would have done is walk over to the table and ask the scorer(s) what is going on. This in a polite, but a little louder than normal, voice while pointing to the scoreboard. If they say it is 7 then in that same polite voice I would tell the clock that he should have signaled you when he changed the 6 to 7.

As for coach B, that is his problem. A situation has occurred that is a violation of the overall rules of the game, any game for that matter. I would be more inclined to apologies to coach A for this. In fact I would even call both of them to the table and explain what is what and shoot the 1 and 1. This is not a judgment call or an advantage/disadvantage call; it is a situation that must be corrected.

No way...
 

...do I stop play at this point or call attention to anything other than keeping the ball in play.

Rich

RecRef,
The onus is on the State's scorekeeper(s).
A double-check was made at the table and the book is official.
Had the scorekeeper buzzed,then we deal with it.

Who says the State's clock operator is correct?

The losing coach would be bad-mouthing the tournament as entirely incompetent with the timer and the scorekeeper both screwing it up, while he takes everything out on the official.

Now if this occured in Florida, it may a be totally acceptable practice. :)

I agree with Rec Ref. The official at the table screwed up, before, during and after by not being aware of what was going on in his book. The floor officials should have been notified of the error on the first dead ball and the free throws shot. It doesn't matter if it is a 1 point game or a 30 point game, 1st minute of play or the last minute. What would have been done if it was reversed and the losing team was fouled? Would the losing team been allowed to shoot the free throws. YOU BET! The right thing needs to be done and the officials should have made it so. Fix the problem if the time period allows it and move on. Thanks

In my game, the ball was inbounded before I noticed the error.

Sorry coach. Good luck in the final.

Mike

Two words- Game awareness


Those words being said, I will freely admit to not being aware in these sort of situations at times. But a blowout means you can look at the foul count a little closer.

If this were a low level rec game blowout, I might overlook the 7th in the situation you describe, but in a State game? No way! Get it right.

BTW, we have a snowstorm happening right now here in Seattle!

I agree that this depends on the level of the game. Low level game, it goes unnoticed. But if it's a varsity game where the point totals count toward school and/or conference records, then the player deserves to have his opportunity.

Chuck

Tough call,

You know the leagues and how they operate, and whether points for/against play a role. Sounds to me like it wouldn't here, so get the ball back in play, manage coaches later.

I'm not sure why there's such a rush to get the ball back in play. Talk to the table, if that was the seventh we're gonna shoot. Why do I care by how much B is winning or losing? Besides the fact it's the rule, you never know who's in the stands watching you. Could be you blew an opportunity by being a nice guy to coach B.

No surprise, but. . . great point, Dan!

I'm not seeing where the problem is here. You've double checked with the table, and they told you twice that it was only 6. As far as you know, the clock guy has it wrong. Since the scorer has told you without reservation that it's only six, don't you have to assume the clock has it wrong? Unless the buzzer goes off for a correctable, why delay the game?

Adam

Maybe it is just a carry-over of the way I was raised. But if I notice the possible error...it gets corrected...period! I'm there to do a job and will do it to the best of my ability and in accordance with the rules of the game.

Really can't see why anyone would debate this internally. If you are a good enough official to get a State Semi game...this seems to be a "No Brainer"

I say talk it over with the bench before putting the ball in play. What if you got to the Double Bonus, and the coach starts yelling then about how could you be in the double bonus....We only had three fouls from that point earlier. Just my miniscule opinion from the Great White North of Alaska! Which is not so great white! NO SNOW!
How am I going to get to the games! No Dog Sled

AK ref SE

I know a lot of officials who have worked state finals who wouldn't blink an eye at getting the ball into play. Don't assume.

Rich

One of two things happened in this case:

(a) The timer is correct; it's the 7th foul.

(b) The scorer is correct; it's the 6th foul.



Either way, something needs to be corrected (book or board) so that the coaches/fans/players aren't going nuts over whether there should or should not be any free throws.

And, yes, I know the scoreboard is unofficial, but try telling that to a few hundred screaming fans.

Come on out to New England! We can't seem to stop the snow from coming. Seems like winter is here to stay. Global warming, my eye! :mad:

Chuck

Blackhawk 357... da'man!!!
 

First of all, mom says thanks for filling the gastank back up, but you could have at least thrown all the empties (and the panties) out of the cab.
Secondly, I know you've done enuf state championships mixed with you're share of blowouts to know Team B wasn't coming back to affect the outcome. I know you're a man of conscience, character, conviction, and common sense (as displayed by the visit to the doctor's office to give your wife that early X-mas present after three kids in four years) and you did bounce the ball three times to think about it. If you would have had Team A -20 points, it might have been a tough choice, but knowing you didn't, I'd say you dun did the right thing, pardner. Now, can I have my schedule for next year reinstated...please!!

[Edited by theshortbaldref on Mar 7th, 2003 at 07:41 PM]

Re: Blackhawk 357... da'man!!!
 

JR or Chuck ~ Any chance that you might have, in your never ending supply of icons, one with a Big Brown Nose in honor of the short bald guy?

Blackhawk

Thanks, Rich.

My first big tournament, had a blowout quarter-final game, one team ahead by 25, both teams anxious for game to end. I had a situation not really similar, but related to this one. I corrected it, making both teams stand around for 1-2 minutes in the process. I was mildly criticized by my evaluator who said, in no uncertain terms, just let it go.

A good example of how officiating is not just about the rules.