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twocentsworth Sun Aug 07, 2011 09:34pm

per the criteria the John Adams provided at the NCAA-M level....yep - intentional.

tref Mon Aug 08, 2011 09:48am

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Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 778758)
per the criteria the John Adams provided at the NCAA-M level....yep - intentional.

Flagrant 1 this season.

ref2coach Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:46am

"OH MY, Thats a TERRIBLE CALL," by the announcers :p

I agree with those focusing on the "first line" of the IF rule. IF from me.

bob jenkins Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:03am

I refuse to answer the poll question because both given answers are correct.

Mark Padgett Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:32am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 778894)
I refuse to answer the poll question because both given answers are correct.

Leave it up to Bob to come up with a play where you can actually "call it both ways". :D

NCHSAA Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:48am

From Lead, common foul.

From Center, intentional.

bob jenkins Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:02pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 778894)
I refuse to answer the poll question because both given answers are correct.

it's an intentional foul and it's a personal foul. it's not a common foul.

Camron Rust Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:19pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 778914)
it's an intentional foul and it's a personal foul. it's not a common foul.

I think it was fairly apparent that the options were "intentional personal foul" and "common personal foul".

Most times when we say intentional foul, we're talking about a personal foul... and most times when we talk about personal fouls, we're talking about common fouls.

tref Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:24pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 778915)
I think it was fairly apparent that the options were "intentional personal foul" and "common personal foul".

Most times when we say intentional foul, we're talking about a personal foul... and most times when we talk about personal fouls, we're talking about common fouls.

Unless the fouled player is trying or tapping for a goal.

Camron Rust Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:25pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 778917)
Unless the fouled player is trying or tapping for a goal.

I said "most" times...not all the time. ;)

And the point was that the poll, using "personal foul" and "intentional foul" was aquatically clear in the context of the video.

tref Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:27pm

True :)

The play we're currently discussing couldnt even be considered a common foul though.

JRutledge Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:56pm

Now that we have figured out the difference between an intentional foul and a common foul by definition, why is everyone calling this an IF? Are we calling it that way because of the result of the play or because the fouler grabbed with player with both arms? The reason I ask because I cannot tell the my last question the player did anything other than come from behind to make a play on the ball (that does not disqualify an IF BTW before someone gets into that discussion).

Peace

tref Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:59pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 778923)
Now that we have figured out the difference between an intentional foul and a common foul by definition, why is everyone calling this an IF?

The first & last sentence of the rule, for me.

NCHSAA Mon Aug 08, 2011 03:26pm

I used common in the sense of non intentional/flagrant. My apologies!

BillyMac Mon Aug 08, 2011 05:36pm

Heaven Forbid That You Start Some Kind Of Trend ...
 
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Originally Posted by NCHSAA (Post 778972)
I used common sense. My apologies!

You had better apologize. There is absolutely, positively, no place for common sense anywhere on the Forum.


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