allowing a substitution

[John Chladek]

This play had absolutely no effect on a game, other than to make me look silly in the stands. 30 seconds to go in the 1st half of a high school girls playoff game, player waiting at the scorers table to enter the game. Her team swishes a shot, the net gets caught in the rim, a ref notices, and asks for the ball before othe other team can inbound. he tosses the ball up and fixes the net. So far, so good. Now, the other ref points to the scorer's table and intructs the sub to enter the game. I loudly say the that's not right, everyone looks at me, the coaches say nothing, play proceeds, everyone inches away from me in the stands. Is stopping play to untangle a net a legitimate time to let a sub in the game?

[NWRef]

Dead ball....you bet

[Dan_ref]

Clock stopped, dead ball. Let the subs in. Whether the official should have blown the whistle to fix the net is another can o' worms.

[ChuckElias]

In the situation you describe, it's no problem. If, however, it had been the last minute of the second half of an NCAA game, then you wouldn't let the sub in.

Chuck

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
In the situation you describe, it's no problem. If, however, it had been the last minute of the second half of an NCAA game, then you wouldn't let the sub in.

Chuck

Hmmmm....are you sure? Not an inadvertent whistle...not an administrative error...is there a bulletin I don't know about?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Hmmmm....are you sure? Not an inadvertent whistle...not an administrative error...is there a bulletin I don't know about?

Well, I was sure until you replied. . . I thought that it was considered an inadvertant whistle, since the clock was already stopped anyway. But now that I'm thinking about it, that situation was a ball that bounced away from the inbounder. I would've thought that this would be handled the same way, but now you've got me wondering.

Chuck

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Well, I was sure until you replied. . . I thought that it was considered an inadvertant whistle, since the clock was already stopped anyway. But now that I'm thinking about it, that situation was a ball that bounced away from the inbounder. I would've thought that this would be handled the same way, but now you've got me wondering.

Chuck

Wait...now you've got me wondering. I thought a whistle to retrieve the ball after a basket in the last 59.9 seconds was a case where you let the subs in....I'll have to check me pre-season notes now.

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Wait...now you've got me wondering. I thought a whistle to retrieve the ball after a basket in the last 59.9 seconds was a case where you let the subs in....I'll have to check me pre-season notes now.

Let 'em in if a whistle goes off.

[ChuckElias]

Oh, Mr. Jenkins. . . a little help?

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Oh, Mr. Jenkins. . . a little help?

Rule 3-4.6, BR-51.

Clarification that the only time substitutions are not allowed in the last 59.9 seconds is on a timer's mistake or an inadvertent whistle. If the whistle is blown for other reasons substitutions are allowed. Examples:



Clarification of a two- or three-point goal
Net getting caught up on basket
Correctable error
Book error (scorer forgets to inform official of player's fifth foul)
Injury, blood, disqualification

If a timeout is requested when play is stopped for a timer's mistake or an inadvertent whistle, substitutions will be allowed.

Play: Ball rolls past the bleachers on an open ended court during the last 59.9 seconds of the second half and the official blows the whistle.

Ruling: Official should deem this an inadvertent whistle and substitutions should not be allowed to enter the game. The clock is stopped. There is no need to blow the whistle.

(Emphasis added)

[ChuckElias]

Ok, my bad. I was right about the ball rolling away (no subs), but wrong about fixing the net (let 'em in). Thanks Bob!!

Chuck

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Ok, my bad. I was right about the ball rolling away (no subs), but wrong about fixing the net (let 'em in). Thanks Bob!!

Chuck

Between the two of us we got them both right!

Good thing too, because without rules knowlede you cannot be a good official. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that all you need to be a good official is rules knowledge.

(Happy now?)

[NWRef]

Chuck [/B][/QUOTE]

Between the two of us we got them both right!

Good thing too, because without rules knowlede you cannot be a good official. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that all you need to be a good official is rules knowledge.

(Happy now?) [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm fairly new to the board. Doesn't one of your fellow contributors put a lot of stock in "Court Presence" along with some knowledge of the rules?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
In fact, I'll go as far as to say that all you need to be a good official is rules knowledge.

(Happy now?)

I can't believe you did that!! Now let's just see if he finds it and uses it for the proof I've been asking for!

Chuck

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by NWRef
Chuck

Between the two of us we got them both right!

Good thing too, because without rules knowlede you cannot be a good official. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that all you need to be a good official is rules knowledge.

(Happy now?) [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm fairly new to the board. Doesn't one of your fellow contributors put a lot of stock in "Court Presence" along with some knowledge of the rules? [/B][/QUOTE]

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