This play had absolutely no effect on a game, other than to make me look silly in the stands. 30 seconds to go in the 1st half of a high school girls playoff game, player waiting at the scorers table to enter the game. Her team swishes a shot, the net gets caught in the rim, a ref notices, and asks for the ball before othe other team can inbound. he tosses the ball up and fixes the net. So far, so good. Now, the other ref points to the scorer's table and intructs the sub to enter the game. I loudly say the that's not right, everyone looks at me, the coaches say nothing, play proceeds, everyone inches away from me in the stands. Is stopping play to untangle a net a legitimate time to let a sub in the game?

Dead ball....you bet

Clock stopped, dead ball. Let the subs in. Whether the official should have blown the whistle to fix the net is another can o' worms.

In the situation you describe, it's no problem. If, however, it had been the last minute of the second half of an NCAA game, then you wouldn't let the sub in.

Chuck

Hmmmm....are you sure? Not an inadvertent whistle...not an administrative error...is there a bulletin I don't know about?

Well, I was sure until you replied. . . I thought that it was considered an inadvertant whistle, since the clock was already stopped anyway. But now that I'm thinking about it, that situation was a ball that bounced away from the inbounder. I would've thought that this would be handled the same way, but now you've got me wondering.

Chuck

Wait...now you've got me wondering. I thought a whistle to retrieve the ball after a basket in the last 59.9 seconds was a case where you let the subs in....I'll have to check me pre-season notes now.

Let 'em in if a whistle goes off.

Oh, Mr. Jenkins. . . a little help?

Rule 3-4.6, BR-51.

Clarification that the only time substitutions are not allowed in the last 59.9 seconds is on a timer's mistake or an inadvertent whistle. If the whistle is blown for other reasons substitutions are allowed. Examples:



Clarification of a two- or three-point goal
Net getting caught up on basket
Correctable error
Book error (scorer forgets to inform official of player's fifth foul)
Injury, blood, disqualification

If a timeout is requested when play is stopped for a timer's mistake or an inadvertent whistle, substitutions will be allowed.

Play: Ball rolls past the bleachers on an open ended court during the last 59.9 seconds of the second half and the official blows the whistle.

Ruling: Official should deem this an inadvertent whistle and substitutions should not be allowed to enter the game. The clock is stopped. There is no need to blow the whistle.

(Emphasis added)

Ok, my bad. I was right about the ball rolling away (no subs), but wrong about fixing the net (let 'em in). Thanks Bob!!

Chuck

Between the two of us we got them both right! :)

Good thing too, because without rules knowlede you cannot be a good official. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that all you need to be a good official is rules knowledge.

(Happy now?)

Chuck [/B][/QUOTE]

Between the two of us we got them both right! :)

Good thing too, because without rules knowlede you cannot be a good official. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that all you need to be a good official is rules knowledge.

(Happy now?) [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm fairly new to the board. Doesn't one of your fellow contributors put a lot of stock in "Court Presence" along with some knowledge of the rules?

I can't believe you did that!! :eek: Now let's just see if he finds it and uses it for the proof I've been asking for! :D

Chuck

Between the two of us we got them both right! :)

Good thing too, because without rules knowlede you cannot be a good official. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that all you need to be a good official is rules knowledge.

(Happy now?) [/B][/QUOTE]

I'm fairly new to the board. Doesn't one of your fellow contributors put a lot of stock in "Court Presence" along with some knowledge of the rules? [/B][/QUOTE]

You might want to take a good look at this map before you wander out any further...;)

http://www.jhu.edu/news_info/news/ho...s/landmine.jpg

Well fer cryin' out loud, SOMEBODY had to do it!!!

:D

I guess this answers the question that has been in my head: Do you guys enjoy the fighting with him over stupid $hit unrelated to actual basketball questions?

OTOH, maybe the 7 page thread answered my question already... I imagine you guys waiting at your desks, hitting refresh... waiting for Rut to respond with some offbeat answer to a normal query or to find offense in some innocent question or answer. Then you can lambast him for taking offense and so on.

You guys need each other!

Please REMEMBER
 

This is "TEE" is not ME!

The "Original" Tee

We're all one big happy family, and every year we all get together, get drunk & have a big fight. Some try to break it up, but some of us (like Tim C & JR) just keep their seat at the table, sipping their scotch while yelling "hit him again! hit him again!"

Takes all kinds...:)

Sorry Tim C.- there was no intent to deceive or offend when I selected the nickname. I simply did a search to see if it was being used. Finding that no one had registered it, I did. Furthermore, I read several days post, and failed to note your occasional use of the nickname on the bottom of your posts.

That being said, if you feel that people are confused by my using a name that I have been called most of my life, I will find another.

Just to be safe- does anyone else have a name (or a letter) that they use occasionally- but have not registered? I would not want to offend any other insecure people:)

[Edited by Tee on Feb 28th, 2003 at 02:59 PM]

Hey John;

Your post said "he asked for the ball" did the official ever blow the whistle? Should we start another thread on whether or not to stop the action for a "hung" net? Seems like one can o'worms can lead to another.

Denny-

I honestly can't remember, but I think he did, to get the attention of the girl about to inbound. I would love someone to start a thread on that topic. I think this one has run its course!

hung net thread

http://www.officialforum.com/showthr...?threadid=7650

Nah, I just get tired of his repeated propagation of erroneous interpretations and techniques and unwillingness to admit even obvious mistakes.

I just hope to set the record straight lest any newbie believes him.


[Edited by Camron Rust on Feb 28th, 2003 at 03:51 PM]

No, the only other insecure person here, besides the other Tee, is Rut and he won't read this post since he thinks it's rule related.

Can I please come this year? I don't like fighting, but I would like to sit off to the side and talk shop with y'all. I'll earn my way if necessary, by being the designated driver. I promise to laugh at all the jokes, and not to call anyone names. Just let me know the date.

Juulie - while we're on the subject of substitutions, why don't you tell everybody what it says on your bumper sticker?

We're still waiting.

When I got a new car in September, it was the first time that it was really "my" car and not "ours". My husband said I could have bumper stickers if I wanted which he doesn't allow on his. The first thing I did was send away to MaineStickah.com and bought a custom made bumper sticker that said,

"Stop Serial Substitutions!!"

I had to do a lot of explaining. I've taken it off though. Needed the room for the new one, which I won't quote here since the subject is apparently off-limits on a basketball board, as it pertains to a certain military action which may be pending.

If you were playing by NBA rules, the sub would not be allowed in this situation.

"An official can suspend play for retrieving an errant ball, re-setting the timing devices, delay-of-game warning, inadvertent whistle or ANY OTHER UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCE. During such a suspension, neither team is permitted to substitute and only the offensive team can request a timeout. Play shall be resumed at the point of interruption."

Thanks, Drake. I was starting to believe that I was dreaming that I had ever seen this. I guess all the games and different levels of the games blend together at some point at my age! The bodies are bigger in the NBA, but they don't act any older, in fact, they may act younger!