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Worked two high school games with a Division 2 ref last week. He was lead and becoming the new trail on change of possession. Offensive player takes outlet pass, turns quickly, and begins quick dribble up court but runs right up the back of a defensive player who was slowly running down court to assume position. Offensive player knocks defensive player to the floor. Div 2 ref whistles defensive foul and explains to the shocked player that he was not in guarding position facing the dribbler so he gets the foul.
Discussed this with another college ref and he essentially agreed with the call. My position is that the defensive player was at that spot on the floor and is entitled to it by rule and may not be displaced. I compared this to the "over the Back", push foul that we frequently call. He insisted that the call cannot be offensive but either a defense foul or preferably a no call if you can get away with it. Any opinions on this ?? Thanks 
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Sun Feb 23, 2003, 08:02pm
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Yikes!!!!
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Of course it's player control.
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Sun Feb 23, 2003, 08:04pm
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I agree with your position.More importantly(because my opinion don't mean squat),the NFHS rulebook also agrees with you.
See casebook play 10.6.2SitB-COMMENT-"When both the dribbler and the opponent are moving in exactly the same path and same direction,the player BEHIND is responsible for contact which results if the player in front slows down or stops". A "legal guarding position" is not mentioned in this call at all.
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Sun Feb 23, 2003, 10:36pm
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Well, you know reffing is just like government, you weed out the bad ones by giving them promotions...
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Sun Feb 23, 2003, 11:22pm
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 In rule 10.6 where is there any mention of "legal guarding position" other than in the note at the end? Take the above situation with a little different twist. Player B1, anticipating a shot turns to get position for a rebound, with his back to A1.But wait, it was only a head fake! A1 blows by the defender on the perimeter and goes up and dunks over B1, who has not moved for the last 3 or 4 seconds. The contact sends B1 crashing to the floor. B1 never obtained "legal guarding position" by definition, but he has not moved, so this can't possibly be a blocking foul, can it? I have thought that when one reads the definition of legal guarding position that it seems to carry more weight than it actually does in a game situation. Comments from knowledgeable, intelligent people (and others) are welcome now.
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Mon Feb 24, 2003, 01:29am
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Hmmm, perhaps it is possible to take the notion of refereeing the defense too far?
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Mon Feb 24, 2003, 06:48am
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