I've heard it said that you can call unsportsmanlike play for someone flopping to draw a foul call. Has anyone ever called a technical for flopping? I've never seen it done. Would it ever be wise to call it? Usually the kid has the puzzled look on his face, and he's totally indignant that he didn't get the call. I usually shrug, smile, and tell him, "I call fouls, not flops." I actually heard a coach tell a player who got a blocking foul, loud enough to be sure I heard, "Next time flop and then you'll get the call!" Anybody?

A few years ago, this was in the rule or case book. I don't remember which but I don't believe it's there anymore.

I had a guy like this in a competitve Mens recreational league. He'd cozy up to his opponent all the time, and flop, looking for the charge. I warned him, but he kept doing it. Then, on a transition play he got absolutely run over. I blew it down, looked right at him and called a block. There was no more flopping after that.

To call unsportsmanlike play for someone flopping to draw a foul call?
NEVER!!
TO CALL technical for flopping?
YES!!
(fiba rules)

I think it was in last years fed books, and yes I have called a T for flopping ONCE. FROSH game defender A1 gets upset over a no call on what he thought was a charge. Goes to coach and begins to gripe, and coach says well flop next time. He says it loud enough for most of the gym to hear him, so i go up to the coach and the player and tell them they cant do that. I walk away and ten seconds later teams on defense again and B6 drives towrd the hoop A1 not even touched flops and even slides on the floor for good mesure, and starts to gripe over another no call. So after B6 misses the layup I call a tech on A1 Coach understood and benched player for remainder of the game.

I sure hope you're joking, because nitpicking like that isn't even funny. In fact, it's downright annoying IMO.

And if we're gonna pick nits, it's a Technical FOUL, not just a Technical.

Romano, tech foul (FIBA rules) for flopping? I don't think so. Could'nt find it in the FIBA rulebook.

Dear freinds,i'm not joking!
FIBA:"unsportmanlike foul is a personal foul committed by a player which in the the judgement of the official,is not a legitimate attempt to directly play the ball"....
flopping it isn't FOUL!!
..."Technical foul by a player are player foul which do not involve contact with an opposing player"...
it's a technical foul when a player disregards warning by official or uses unsportmanlike tactics.
you can see it NICK at FIBA interpretation of the official basketball rules 2000,there is the situation :"A4 attempts a shot for a field goal whilst B4 tries to distract him by shouting at him or stamping heavily on the floor"
a-the shot is successful
b-the shot is not successful.
interpreation:
a-the basket is awarded and B4 receives a warning
b-a technical foul is charged against B4.
The interpretation say that you can call technical foul to a player after personal unsportmanlike behaviour.
I TOLD YOU BEFORE I'M NOT JOKING!!!

P.S
IT WAS NOT EASY TO POST ALL THIS LONG MESSAGE.....

Hi Romano, with FIBA rules, I still cannot classify a flop as unsportsmanlike as the defender is trying to suck a foul call off the referee and I do not see the experienced referee calling it. Usually if it is not called the defensive player not try it again. I can accept that the shouting or stamping of feet, etc. is unacceptable but not flopping and i never call it.

Nick, I think if you re-read Romano's post, you'll see that he's agreeing with you. He would NOT call an unsportsmanlike foul for a defender flopping. He MIGHT, however, call a technical foul for this.

The reason is that an unsportsmanlike foul (in FIBA) is a type of personal foul which includes excessive contact. So flopping would NOT fit in this category. No contact, right? That's what flopping is, falling without contact. So it can't be unsportsmanlike, in FIBA.

However, it does fall under the technical foul rule as outlined by Romano's long quoted passage.

Does that help clear anything up?

Chuck

THANK you ChuckElias !!
you understand me very well.
i'm very happy that my long quoted passage wasn't for nothing...

I saw this called once in a HS varsity game many moons ago -- there was about 2 feet of space between the flopping defender and the spinning ball handler when the flopper went down with a groan. IMHO the only time to even consider calling a T would be when there is NO CONTACT at all, and it happens more than once.

Yes you are right.
the only thing we can call is Technical(FIBA)foul.this is unsportman like behaviour of a player.

I have never called it, but I have seen it called when it puts other players at risk of injury. i.e. Under the basket with rebounders stepping on and falling all around the flopper.

Blackhawk

IMO - Flopping is defiantly a case for game management. My favorite line is, “Nice acting job but not an Academy Award performance. Be careful, if I think for one second you are faking it I’ll award you a technical.” Failed to work only one time and he got the T.

SO you all agree with me that technical foul is the best call in this situation??and not unsportmanlike?

David, the confusion here stems from the fact that FIBA apparently places "unsportsmanlike" fouls in the category of personal -- that is, contact -- fouls. In the USA (and Canada, I think), we use primarily NFHS or NCAA rules; and in both NFHS and NCAA, unsportsmanlike fouls are NEVER personal fouls. They are always technical fouls.

So when you say, "It's not unsportsmanlike; but it IS technical", many of us on this side of the ocean are confused. According to FIBA rules, it sounds like you are exactly right. In NFHS or NCAA, however, you'd be wrong.

Chuck

Hi Romano and Chuck, thanks for the input. We do not penalize flopping as we consider it to be a part of the game. If the player can suck a foul of the ref, good luck to him. Even some good coaches that I know will get their players to try this.

Part of the game? How is falling down for no reason construed as part of the game? The game is about height, speed, strength and athleticism. Unless you're in the WWE, falling down doesn't fall into any of those categories. I would re-think that philosophy, if I were in your area. JMO, as always.

Chuck

I don't know that I've ever called a flop a technical foul -- however, I will ALWAYS call a block in that situation :)

Rich

ChuckElias
not only WWE ...it's part of the game in WWF also and WCW...

David, not that this is a wrestling forum, but the WWF and the WCW no longer exist. The WCW was bought by the WWF a couple years ago. Then the WWF was forced to change its name to the WWE b/c of a lawsuit brought against it by the World Wildlife Fund (WWF).

So now the WCW and the WWF are both defunct and are in the WWE family.

Always trying to help :)

Chuck

WHAT??????????? this isn't a wrestling forum??
****!!!I was hoping to met the UNDERTAKER...(IS he still alive?!)

Uh,Chuck,if you were in Nick's area,you would be in New Zealand(as in FIBA rules,and probably a local philosophy regarding "flopping").

Grumpy l'il feller today,aren't ya?
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p.s
Chuck
thank you for helping me.
wwf ,wcw , wwe, all the same -BIG BIG FLOP!

SORRY
I forget NWO(NEW WORLD ORDER)and the bed guy =RAIZER RAMON...

During a YMCA organized game a kid flopped after he went up for a lay up and came down on both knees. At that moment I didn't make any call because it was so obvious of the flop. (I then waited to see what this kid was up to.) He then picked himself up and proceeded down court without questioning the official,on the other hand his coach was wanting the foul. A couple of plays later the same kid comes flying by for the lay up and once again he lands on his knees, I immediately blew my whistle and looked towards the table and called officials time out. I asked the kid if he was alright then instructed him to cut the crap with the flops and asked him who taught him to flop he was so petrified with my tone of voice that he confessed that he's Dad taught him to flop, coincidentally his father was the coach. I walked over to the coach and said you teach this unsportsmenship tactic to any kid and your going to find yourself outside of this gym for good. I then tee'd up the little wet fish.

I will normally tell the flopper the first time not to do it again nad have a no-call. If this flopper continues he/she has earned him/herself a blocking call evertime there after. Usually only takes one!

AK ref SE

4-20-13...."faking being fouled". I would have called it.