What phrases/actions are used when reffing but are incorrect - Page 2

RecRef · #16 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 21, 2003, 11:39pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
[B]signals: foul tip signal

phrases:

2) "on the floor" instead of out-of-bounds or one-and-one

What are we talking about here? How could it be anything besides a foul before a shot?

Jurassic Referee · #17 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 22, 2003, 02:37am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RecRef
[B]

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
signals: foul tip signal

phrases:

2) "on the floor" instead of out-of-bounds or one-and-one

What are we talking about here? How could it be anything besides a foul before a shot?

It is a foul before the shot.Mark is talking about the official notifying his partner(s) about what to do,and then signaling the foul.It gets the ball back into play as soon as he's done signalling,because his partner(s) can get things set up.
1)out-of-bounds means the bonus hasn't been reached yet.
2)one-and-one means that the team that was fouled has the bonus.This could be "two" also,if they're in the double bonus.
In the first case,his partner(s)will line the teams up for a throw-in by the team that got fouled.In the second case,his partner(s) will line the teams up for the FT's by the player who was fouled.

make sense now?

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Feb 22nd, 2003 at 01:41 AM]

RecRef · #18 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 22, 2003, 10:33am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by RecRef
[B]

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
signals:

2) "on the floor" instead of out-of-bounds or one-and-one
make sense now?

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Feb 22nd, 2003 at 01:41 AM]

Oh, I am being too literal on this.

and also guilty as charged for using it but I do so more for the players benefit than my partners.

BktBallRef · #19 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 22, 2003, 11:51am

"Blue 23, with the hold!

Man, I hate that one!

force39 · #20 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 22, 2003, 07:25pm

Question.

I just saw a quote that said you should never tell the coach that's not my call. What should you tell him?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #21 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 22, 2003, 08:02pm

Quote:

Originally posted by force39
Question.

I just saw a quote that said you should never tell the coach that's not my call. What should you tell him?

If you are officiating in a two-person crew, tell him it is the Center's call.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. · #22 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 22, 2003, 08:03pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
[B]

Quote:

Originally posted by RecRef

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
signals: foul tip signal

phrases:

2) "on the floor" instead of out-of-bounds or one-and-one

What are we talking about here? How could it be anything besides a foul before a shot?

It is a foul before the shot.Mark is talking about the official notifying his partner(s) about what to do,and then signaling the foul.It gets the ball back into play as soon as he's done signalling,because his partner(s) can get things set up.
1)out-of-bounds means the bonus hasn't been reached yet.
2)one-and-one means that the team that was fouled has the bonus.This could be "two" also,if they're in the double bonus.
In the first case,his partner(s)will line the teams up for a throw-in by the team that got fouled.In the second case,his partner(s) will line the teams up for the FT's by the player who was fouled.

make sense now?

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Feb 22nd, 2003 at 01:41 AM]

Thank you, JR.

ChuckElias · #23 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 22, 2003, 08:19pm

Quote:

Originally posted by force39
I just saw a quote that said you should never tell the coach that's not my call. What should you tell him?

I usually say, "Coach, I wasn't even looking there." And then I tell him where I was looking. Lets him know that I'm watching off-ball.

Or I'll say, "Coach, he obviously had a better angle than I did and he saw something I didn't."

Chuck

rainmaker · #24 (**permalink**) Sat Feb 22, 2003, 11:17pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Quote:

Originally posted by force39
I just saw a quote that said you should never tell the coach that's not my call. What should you tell him?

I usually say, "Coach, I wasn't even looking there." And then I tell him where I was looking. Lets him know that I'm watching off-ball.

Or I'll say, "Coach, he obviously had a better angle than I did and he saw something I didn't."

Chuck

Chuck --

Did you say that ... TODAY ... in your ... GAME? ....

What else did you say? And do? How did it go?.....

APHP · #25 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 23, 2003, 07:26pm

The Officials Manual (Page 68) says nothing about "verbally" reporting the nature of the foul to the table--only a visual signal (i.e. holding/block). I never give a verbal signal to the table....however, I do see officials verbally say "reach-in", "over the back" and I know one who calls a "hack". Why give a verbal signal if it is not required...

BktBallRef · #26 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 23, 2003, 09:23pm

Quote:

Originally posted by force39
Question.

I just saw a quote that said you should never tell the coach that's not my call. What should you tell him?

Coach, I'm officiating the 4 guys in my area.

Coach, I was watching off the ball, since the ball wasn't any my area.

Paul LeBoutillier · #27 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 01:10am

Quote:

Originally posted by APHP
The Officials Manual (Page 68) says nothing about "verbally" reporting the nature of the foul to the table--only a visual signal (i.e. holding/block). I never give a verbal signal to the table....however, I do see officials verbally say "reach-in", "over the back" and I know one who calls a "hack". Why give a verbal signal if it is not required...

Because as an official who has also worked at the table I can tell you IT HELPS minimize confusion and mistakes for the stat keepers.

canuckrefguy · #28 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 01:24am

Besides color, number, and consequence, what other info does the table need?

SHellmueller · #29 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 11:24am

Okay, I've got a couple:

Using a variation of the "illegal use of hands" signal to indicate exacly HOW the player was fouled. I see NCAA refs often give this signal as if they are replaying the foul for the table to see (smack their elbow, upper arm, whatever).

Pointing to the table instead of chopping the time in always annoys me. The only time I point to the table is while I'm winking at the attractive timekeeper.

Even though it's an NCAA mechanic, I hate the "not-closely-guarded" signal. I see it in NF sometimes, and it looks like the ref is saying "I have no idea what's going on." My thought is, if I'm not counting, he/she's not closely guarded.

This last one's up for discussion, but I'll put it here anyway. The signal for "basket counts," for a BI, goal-tend, or foul on the shooter situation. I've seen some really weird stuff here. Seems like some refs get to "enthusiatic" with the call, I guess to sell it. It almost looks as if they are celebrating the goal along with the scoring team.

SHellmueller · #30 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 24, 2003, 11:32am

In addition to the color, number, consequence, I give the signal for the foul type (NF). But I've also seen refs give a verbal description of the foul type, and indicate direction and/or location. I don't see that this is useful, as it's my partner who needs to know the throw-in spot, not the table.

Any thoughts?