B1 fouls A1 (non shooting foul) Foul number 7 on B. No FT awarded (table does not notify and officials do not notice). A gets the ball. A's coach goes to the table and requests a 60 second time out. A2 scores a basket. Horn sounds before B obtains the ball to be put in play.
This is a correctable error. unawarded bonus free throw. Ball did not become alive a second time after the error. The basket counts for A. A1 shoots the 1-1 with the lane cleared. And B1 gets the ball under the basket (and can run the baseline. No time out charged to A Is this correct? I want to make sure I understand this because I suspect B's coach will not like the fact that 4 points may have just occurred because of the error that has now been corrected Stew in VA CVBOA |
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Roger, I think you may have misinterpreted part of the original post. The coach went to the table to request the TO. As soon as there was a dead ball (A2 scored the basket), table sounded the horn and the officials discovered the error. So the error was discovered during the first dead ball after the error was made.
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ART. 2 . . . In order to correct any of the officials' errors listed in Article 1, such error must be recognized by an official during the first dead ball after the clock has properly started.
Original situation indicated that there was a foul, A called TO, then ball was put in play, shot made, error noted. This is still correctable. A's timeout occurred during the deadball associated with the original foul call. Clock has not yet started. the clock starts when A inbounds, and then when A scores, we are in a correctable error situation until B has ball at disposal. At that point, ball is once again live and you can't correct anything. As an aside, this is one of the more sides of correctable error that I don't like. Team A received possession as a result of the foul and subsequently scored, but will now also get to shoot the FTs as a result of the same foul. Seems like they are getting a 2 for 1 deal because of an error. People like to think of crrectable error as "righting a wrong," but some of the corrections seem just to perpetrate anther wrong IMO. |
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Prevention- good pre game and talking with the table before the game is the best preactice approach. Once a situation occurrs- the best we can do is to be consistant, following the rule and communicate. OK time to go watch so HS play off games and learn from the VETS Stew |
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If A inbounds, B deflects OOB, then table says whoops - shudda been FTs, you shoot the FTs as normal - no POI. I think the intent of this rule is to avoid giving A the 2fer when A hasn't yet capitalized on their wrongfully awarded possession, not to give A a made shot, FTs, and a chance at the rebounds on those FTs. Imagine a 3 pointer on the possession, A then makes the front-end of the 1 and 1, misses the second, tips rebound to wing for another 3 pointer. I wouldn't think this is where you want to be on this one. |
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Not sure both coaches want to see this fixed before the inbounds play, if they undersand the correctable error rule (and if they think the refs will get it right as well). If I am A, I may as well take the possession first, then see if I can't get my FTs as well. If I am B, I may prefer the FTs to a possession anyway, and would certainly prefer FTs to a possession and then FTs to follow. So B could decide not to say anything if they prefer the possession, taking a chance, but A would prefer to wait for the FTs after the possession. Call TO if you are A on the made shot, and you get the 2fer. [/B][/QUOTE] Wow. I would like to hear Vitale run the color commentary on one of your games. |
Vitale will be too busy ripping the AP arrow to deal with the correctable error situation.
Then again, if we score, call TO and then get the FTs, he might say, "That's just wrong. These kids on B work so hard then the officials make a mistake like this. B's Coach is doing a great job getting his PTPers ready to go and then the officials make a mistake like this - that's just flatout wrong! Just like that arrow - I hate that rule too." |
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Where is there a rule that defines "change of possession." I have defined it as when a team is entitled to the ball. What in the rules states that this definition is incorrect? GO ahead and search for an unambiuous definition of this term in the rules - it doesn't exist. so you must interpret and deal with the intent of the correctable error rule in the first place.
You may choose to define change of possession differently and may have logic to support it, but I have yet to see why you would want to define it differently. Think about the spirit of the rule and if my definition of "change of possession" meets that sprit of the rule. Then look at the 3-pointer situation I outlined and ask yourself if that is what the people who wrote this rule would have wanted to occur when correcting an error of not awarding a merited FT. I think that the answer becomes much easier then. |
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