3-man mechanics; HS Girls game

I'm lead, partner T; Double whistle. I have a foul and yield to the T.(came from his area) He comes to me and says I have her dragging her pivot foot, but go with your foul (By now I have lost the player foul and guessing) I report a foul on #30. BUZZZZZ There is no 30 in the book. Bad guess. I thought well, there was a "3" in it. "#35." My partner, in the meantime was asking the girls on the line (shooting foul) who just fouled that girl. One raises her had, it's #43. So I change my # 3 times and just looked terrible. I had people laughing, as I was my self to keep tension down, but was very unprofessional.

I'm thinking to myself why didn't my partner just call travel in the first place. Would've saved alot of headache and embarrassment!

Don't feel bad...we have ALL lost the number one time or another.
Your partner did exactly what I have done if we lose a number...JUST ASK THE PLAYERS...it usually works!

BTW, it's not about being "unprofessional"...it's about being "human". (Don't tell anybody, but we are not perfect);)

Dude

Did the foul cause the dragging of the pivot foot??? Please clarify why you decided to go w/ the foul instead of the violation.

Zebra: Everyone forgets a number once in a while. If you are not sure it is better to ask that just guess it seems like everytime I used to guess, I always guessed wrong.... Really makes one look like a jack a$$....

I lost the number in an 8th grade rec game last Saturday. Dribbler tries to go between 2 defenders (everyone moving in different directions), in this order...defender on the left makes contact, defender on the right makes contact, dribbler falls in a heap and bangs his head on the floor as I blow my whistle for a foul. Kid just lays there and coach runs on the floor.

I get everyone away from the kid so they have room to check him out and it dawns on me I haven't reported the foul. I can remember both defenders number (11 and 22) so I figure, what the heck...I have 50/50 chance..."I have white, 11, push...blue ball on the sideline". W11 yells "11, I was on the right...he was bumped into me." I just tell him "First contact was minor and deemed incidental, your contact however cause the player to go down. That was the foul." He said "Oh...OK" and turned back to his coach.

If you can't dazzle 'em with your brilliance...baffle 'em with your BS" :D

What? If you guys aren't perfect, then what's a poor coach to do? :confused:

If this is ture, I don't think I can hang out here anymore. ;)

Hey, no biggie. Last night I was T by the table for free throws when 5 players wearing white appear at the table. First shot, I turn to them and ask "Which one of you guys is for the shooter?" A1 looks at me like I have 3 eyes and says "Uhmmmm, we aint shooting ref." "Oh yeah, ha-ha, well lets go, get in the game already."

Someday I'm gonna disable that damn autopilot switch. :o

State Tourney game.......I call a foul on A1 and as I'm returning to my position on the floor the table informs me it's A1's 5th foul. I turn to the bench and inform the coach "that's 5 on A1" He just looks at me and says "I don't care he's not on my team".....I take a closer look and realize I'm looking at the coach from B. I told him "that's fine, I just wanted you to know", then sheepishly go tell coach A. The state evaluator was crackin up as he was on the endline at the end of bench B.

Needless to say I did the championship game.

No, my partner said he had a travel first, then contact. In other words he should've taken the travel and we just go to the other end.

In other words,WE should have taken the travel.

Just get together and figure out what happened first.Doesn't take long at all.

That's good. Something similar happened to me but as I turned to walk the *wrong* way I heard "HEY REF!" from the table. Scorer & timer were both pointing in the other direction! :)

I said "I knew that", they laughed, I laughed and life went on.

Great! Put you two guys together,and then assign a "tour guide" as the third official!:D

Pre-Game
 

It's all about the pre-game. If I'm the R on a 3 whistle crew, one of the things I always cover is the double whistle. If one of us has a violation out of the C or T position before the foul, typically a travel coming out of our area, take it away strong! If we have a foul out of the C or T position and it's coming out of our area, make eye contact with the L and let's make sure that he or she is not already coming out strong with a block or charge.

When you have two whistles, one with a open hand the other with the fist, you <b>ALWAYS</b> come together and figure it out.


Words of Wisdom......<i>"Never let a player travel into a foul"</i>

Yeah, but I showed great presence. Well, except for when I got dizzy from all the back & forth and almost fell down. :)

BTW, I better run or my wife's gonna have to meet me at the gym again.

I recently had our crew's R pregame that when we have a double whistle with a violation / foul being signaled, we will go with the violation over the foul. Is this something that you guys pregame, or have had pregamed?

BTW I have personally NEVER lost a ummm...aaahh...what were we talking about? :)

How many of us has this happened to?

here's a hint....

http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmili...y/invasion.gif

That's a good point. I should've stepped up and said no, we have a travel first.

The pregame, I have never heard of ALWAYS taking the violation first. You could, like previously posted, have a foul causing the violation. Sounds like a cop out to me, like let's get this game over with. Just my opinion.

It's part of my pregame that in that situation we get together and talk about what happened first..........If a player gets bumped and that causes a travel and you call the violation you are penalizing the player twice. First they don't get the foul, second they lose possesion..........Determine what came first......

I lost a number yesterday. 8th grade boys, playoffs, overtime. In my area elementary games are only done by one official so I was on my own. The game was played at a neutral site and the team that was supposed to bring scorers forgot so by mutual agreement of the coaches the coach of the forgetful team was keeping the sheet. I asked him before the game if he knew what he was doing and he said "Of course I do." Foolishly I believed him. In the overtime his team was down by a point w/ about 30 seconds left when I called a hold on one of his players. He recorded the foul and then looked back up at me ready to go. I was getting ready to check the ball in when as an afterthought I asked how many team fouls his team had. "Oh, 7" he said brightly. Great, fantastic. "OK, bonus, " I said trying to bluster my way out of it hoping the right kid would go to the line. Lo and behold when I arrived at the other end there was someone standing there ready to shoot. Unfortunately the other team immediately started yelling that he hadn't gotten fouled. After a quick interrogation, backed up with the threat of a technical for lying- the right player got to the line and proceeded to brick the shot. I didn't penalize the team that tried to cheat. Should I have?

You put yourself in a bind with your threat
 

There is a technical for the wrong player attempting to shoot the FT. If it was intentional (as opposed to an honest misundrstanding of which contact resulted in your foul call), it is a T. However, you kind of bailed on that when you threatened a T if they didn't own up. At that point, I think you would have looked horrible whacking them.

That sounds like the voice of reason to me.

After having this pregamed, we had one of these in the game. I (U2) had the travel and (U1) had the foul. He came to me and we determined that the player was pushed from behind (I was straight-lined on the contact) and caused the travel. (R) kinda rolled his eyes at us, but we got the call right.

[Edited by Mike Burns on Feb 13th, 2003 at 04:01 PM]

I'm definitely going to try this philosophy this weekend!

Ron, I wished that I was still in Seattle and still refereed. Refereeing with you was always a blast.

Thanks Brian...I am finishing up my 10th season, heading to the 4A tourney...........Still havin fun........