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Situation. A1 is inbounding ball on baseline at team A's bucket. A1 throws ball up and over backboard (ball doesn't hit cables or anything) and inbounds. I know that A1 should not be directly behind the backboard to inbound the ball, but even when off to the side a pass up and over can still occur. I know this is a violation but cannot find reference to this in the NFHS books. Can anyone point this out to me???
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to complement a coach who is very well versed on the rules.
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For that matter, why have fan-shaped backboards at all?
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Here come all the ol "rule geezers". LOL just picking guys... i've often wondered this myself. so take my joke lightly and explain it to us... whos the man with all the answers around here?
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The violation is for the ball passing over the "top" of the backboard. That is, if it passes by the "side" edges, there is no violation. When you have a curve, there is only one point (infintesimally small) that is the true "top." Therefore, the ball would always be passing partially "over" the side - so a fan backboard doesn't carry a violation for going over.
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As for the difference in the rule, I think it is simply that there is no dividing point for the top of the backboard on a fan backboard. But maybe one of the geezers has more to offer. |
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Hmmm, I'm not buying it. It would be a simple matter to define over the "top" as being above the backboard between the two flat sides. That definition would be consistent between the two types.
This brings to mind another, related question: what if part of the ball passes over a rectangular backboard. In other words, if the ball was thrown "over" the backboard, but only part of it passed over the top between the sides. How much is enough to call it out of bounds? entirely over = OOB 3/4 over? 1/2 over? 1/4 over? < 1/4 over? [Edited by Back In The Saddle on Feb 10th, 2003 at 11:58 PM]
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Not sure what the point is about "legal" backboards. NFHS puts a rulebook out, and then you ref the games where they are played. Most HS gyms have the normal plexiglass backboards. The places you tend to find a lesser board is in rec centers, elementary schools, and some middle schools. You play with what they got in my experience. We played with a rectangular wooden backboard and no markings on Sunday. Ball bounced off the board fine and it was securely fastened (i.e., no safety issue). I have played games in that rec center for 5 years with the same BBs. They have 30-40 games per weekend there. Is it legal by NFHS diagrams - no. Do we use NFHS rules - yes. Did we play the game - yes. |
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Hmm, the geometry argument is, in my mind, silly. I suspect the real reason has more to do with a recognition of how the ball plays off the fan vs. how it plays off the rectangle. B/c the fan is so much smaller, shots will flip over the edges and still be in rbl playing area more often. the expansion to a rectangle kept most shots in play.
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