The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Basketball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Mon Feb 10, 2003, 05:59am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 46
Referee bounces the ball to a free throw shooter. The free throw shooter fumbles the ball into the lane and steps over the foul line to retrieve the ball.

Is this a violation?

If so then what are the penalties on different free throw shooting situations? 1 shot, 2 shots, 1 and 1, techs, etc?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Mon Feb 10, 2003, 06:06am
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hell
Posts: 20,211
Quote:
Originally posted by Cyber-Ref
Referee bounces the ball to a free throw shooter. The free throw shooter fumbles the ball into the lane and steps over the foul line to retrieve the ball.

Is this a violation?

If so then what are the penalties on different free throw shooting situations? 1 shot, 2 shots, 1 and 1, techs, etc?
The suggested procedure is for the official to blow their whistle,and re-administer the FT.See casebook play9.1.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Mon Feb 10, 2003, 06:38am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 15,003
Yes, this is the suggested case book way of handling the situation. However, I don't like it, and think that it is inconsistent. For example, we don't do this on a throw-in.
Once the player catches the ball, if he loses it, that's his fault and there should be consequences.


Comically, if a teammate in a marked lane-space is able to reach into the lane, without breaking the plane with his feet, and knock the ball back, or pick it up and pass it back, to the free-thrower, it would not be a violation!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Mon Feb 10, 2003, 01:20pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 46
Ouch!

Had the sitch where my my "experienced" partner called the violation on a 7-8-9 year old girl.

This led to the coach griping which lead to an ugly and IMO unnecessary tech on the coach. (1st one I've seen this season). I was real uncomfortable with the call but supported my partner.

Maybe he was just having a bad day.

But he was correct on the no more than 2 touches by a center jumper as posted in "Taps".

Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Mon Feb 10, 2003, 01:43pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,910
Quote:
Originally posted by Nevadaref
Yes, this is the suggested case book way of handling the situation. However, I don't like it, and think that it is inconsistent. For example, we don't do this on a throw-in.
Once the player catches the ball, if he loses it, that's his fault and there should be consequences.


I've thought about that before, but I think the NFHS realizes that a "free throw" is a reward for a previous play and should not be taken away for an unintentional drop of the ball. If we're on our toes, we can blow our whistle as soon as the ball is fumbled away before the thrower steps over the line therefore there is no violation.

I believe that the NFHS also realizes that there is defense being played on a throw-in so an unintentional drop where the ball rolls onto the floor is then penalized (tight coverage could have caused the inbounder to get flustered and drop it).

Z
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Mon Feb 10, 2003, 01:49pm
Esteemed Participant
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 4,775
You can't have a violation until the shooter has possession/control of the ball...so by fumble, are you referring to the player not catching the ball cleanly when bounced to him/her? If so, no violation...if we are talking about the kid who catches the ball, dribbles it twice, then looks at hoop while holding ball in both hands, then dribbles a third time and it goes off his/her foot and h/she steps over the line - well, that's a different story...
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Mon Feb 10, 2003, 02:46pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,910
True, you can't have a violation until the shooter has it cleanly. But if you check the case book, you'll also realize that don't call a violation even if the free thrower bounces it off his/her foot while bouncing it before the free throw.

Z
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Mon Feb 10, 2003, 02:59pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,729
Ok,

It is my opinion that it is still not deemed a violation even in the example where the shooter gets the ball, dribbles and then dribbles AGAIN off his foot.

It is the equivalant of a "do over."

Again, I suggest that officials learn what battles need to be fought and when we need to be part of a bigger picture.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:21pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1