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just another ref Sun Feb 09, 2003 04:32pm

In another thread someone made reference to calling 6 games in 1 day. I was curious as to what some personal records are for most games called in 1 day and 1 week. Mine are 11 in 1 day and 30 in 1 week. (This is not a competition, it is merely an exhibition, please, no wagering.) (Oh, one more thing, there are no prizes.)

TriggerMN Sun Feb 09, 2003 05:01pm

I worked 25 youth tournament games in two days about 5 years back. Never again...:)

JRutledge Sun Feb 09, 2003 05:12pm

Never again too.
 
I think the most I did was about 9 in one day. Turned around and did another 9 the next day. I might be in great shape, but that was brutal.

Peace

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Feb 09, 2003 08:11pm

The most one hour (running clock) games that I have officiating in one day is twelve. The most regular (stopped clock) games that I have officiated in one day is seven. The most regular (stopped clock) games that I have done in one week is 26; and I have a friend that once did 37 (regular (stopped clock) games in one week.

Rich Sun Feb 09, 2003 10:26pm

I was the one who did six yesterday.

The most I've ever done in a day was 13. First game at 8AM, last game at 8PM. That was about nine years ago and will never happen again. 18 minute halves, running clock except last minute first half and last 2 minutes second half.

I was offered 10 for next Saturday, but I have a varsity game Friday, men's rec on Sunday afternoon, and varsity boys on Monday. I took four for Saturday.

Rich

williebfree Mon Feb 10, 2003 12:59am

The most
 
I have done 10 (stop clock) consecutive games in a 7th grade tourney.
That was enough.... We had some officials "no-show".

Adam Mon Feb 10, 2003 03:19am

Wow, I feel kind of bad. I have never taken more than 4. I know what I'm capable of, and I'm not sure it'd be fair to the teams in the last few games.

snaqs

Nevadaref Mon Feb 10, 2003 06:56am

Because there is always some fool out there willing to work twelve games in a row, is the reason that we cannot get respectable game fees for weekend rec games. This is what I call being abused.

williebfree Mon Feb 10, 2003 08:31am

I agree
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Because there is always some fool out there willing to work twelve games in a row, is the reason that we cannot get respectable game fees for weekend rec games. This is what I call being abused.
I agree, I know that I lose my edge by the time I am working a 3rd consecutive game.
I would prefer to work 4, or at most 6 games, on any given day;
to include a game break after each 2 games.

However, in most cases officials are called upon to "contribute more."

Ron Pilo Mon Feb 10, 2003 09:44am

My Questions is <h1><B>WHY?</B></h1>

Rich Mon Feb 10, 2003 09:53am

Nevadaref - stop being so sanctimonius already.

I had the opportunity to work fewer games for more money Saturday, but turned them down. I like where I've been working Saturdays - we're always appreciated, and I've never had a behavior problem.

They simply cannot get officials to work their program. The town is a small one and is about 25 miles off the beaten path. They schedule officials only to have them turn games back because a "better" (read: closer or pays more) game comes up. These same officials would then turn around and beg the same person that assigns these rec games (she is also the high school AD) for JV or varsity games during the week. THAT is what I find offensive.

I don't need to be working rec ball at all -- I work mostly varsity basketball during the week -- but having me there on my sixth game is better than having an untrained teenager there on his first game. I may be tired, but my eyes and experience work fine.

And in a community rec program where the kids are from 4th to 8th grade, how hard is it to call for an experienced official?

But I guess we should just force the rec programs to raise their fees by turning our noses up at them. Well, let me tell you the reality of the situation. They would rather have parents work the games than pay extortion.

Rich

Jerry Blum Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:04am

I don't think I've worked all that many games at one time, but earlier this year I had three varsity games(2 girls and 3-man mechanic boys) in a tourney. Mostly because of bad weather that forced games to be moved back. Wasn't too bad though because I had a break between the first two games and then the last one was 3-man mechanics.

BigJoe Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:14am

When I agree to work a tournament, I make sure there are three officials per court. That way, I get a break every third game. However, last year I agreed to fill in where needed at a tournament. Fill in my a$$! I ended up stuck on one court the whole tournament and did 11 straight games. The problem is you are not only physically tired, but mentally tired as well. Of course the most important games are at the end of the day so you are the least sharp in the championship games. I will NEVER put myself in that position again.

rockyroad Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:30am

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
Nevadaref - stop being so sanctimonius already.

They schedule officials only to have them turn games back because a "better" (read: closer or pays more) game comes up. These same officials would then turn around and beg the same person that assigns these rec games (she is also the high school AD) for JV or varsity games during the week. THAT is what I find offensive.

I work mostly varsity basketball during the week -- but having me there on my sixth game is better than having an untrained teenager there on his first game. I may be tired, but my eyes and experience work fine.


But I guess we should just force the rec programs to raise their fees by turning our noses up at them. Well, let me tell you the reality of the situation. They would rather have parents work the games than pay extortion.

Rich

Wow...sounds like someone is being sanctimonious... the fact remains that officials quite often "sell" themselves out in these types of tournaments...I have been on both sides - working the multiple games for peanuts, and helping run the tournaments and seeing how much $$$ are brought in by team fees, gate receipts, selling pop and hot dogs, etc...the money paid to the officials is usually an afterthought...it's great that people work 47 games in a weekend, but some of us know better...

ChuckElias Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:09am

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
They schedule officials only to have them turn games back because a "better" (read: closer or pays more) game comes up.
Rich,

I think that this is exactly what Nevada ref is complaining about. If people refused to "fill in" and work 20 games per weekend, then the rec league would have to start offering more money to the officials, so that they wouldn't be tempted to turn the rec games back in.

I'm not sure I agree with him. But I see his point.

Chuck

Tee Tue Feb 11, 2003 06:23pm

As to the question of why work so many asked by Ron, because I earn a living doing it.

So as a result I worked nearly 100 games this January, and I am on a similar pace this month. (shorter month) I work 7 days a week this time of year.

You have heard the expression "make hay while the sun shines" Other seasons do not offer quite the number of games. I need to make enough money to get through the lean times(and pay for the summer camps:))

And yes, this does probably hurt my endurance for the "big" school games, but I am in good shape, so far...

Even with this number of games, I find myself enjoying the vast majority of games, and that's why I do this. I could (and have) made more money in a conventional occupation.

If I could make more money doing less games, yes that would be good, but this is what is currently available to me.


bossref Wed Feb 12, 2003 02:37am

The Record
 
BOSS Officials covers youth and adult games
year round in San Diego.
This month was very busy with one official doing 108 games.
Most of our sites play (4) one hour games
and sometimes on weekends we go and do (6).

I disagree about the fees being lower because guys
settle for lower pay and work too many games.
If officials try to negotiate for fees that
are out of the normal price range,eventually someone else
will underbid, or the director will recruit and train
his own group of officials.
$18-20 an hour is a fair wage.

DownTownTonyBrown Wed Feb 12, 2003 05:30pm

Attended a camp last summer that seemed to be a bit of a thrown-together-at-the-last-minute deal. Didn't have enough officials. Some showed up Saturday and then left. Others came on Sunday and left at midday. I was there for the full experience. I think I worked 9 games on Saturday - most were 2-man. I worked 11 on Sunday - most were 3-man (Thank-God). The games were all HS varsity boys - running 20 minute halves, no free throws.

Way too many games; it was several days before my legs and brain were fully oxygenated again. I think I got something out of the camp.... I forget.


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