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Old Wed Feb 05, 2003, 10:09am
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Question...I know I read this somewhere, sometime...when does the clock start when during a free throw, ball hits the left side of the rim, bounces off high and towards the corner, hits the floor, bounces up and then is retrieved by a player. Does the clock start when the ball hits the floor, or when it is touched by a player?
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2003, 10:13am
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I believe it is rule 5-9-art.3

If a free throw is not successful and the ball is to remain live, the clock shall be started when the ball touches or is touched by a player on the court.

So I would have to say start the clock when the player in the corner touches it.
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2003, 10:14am
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Clock starts when ball touches or is touched by a player on the court. Is this deja vu all over again?
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2003, 11:43am
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more to the story...

here's the rest of the story...1.4 sec on the clock, 4th qtr, 2 pt game...ball kareems high off the rim parallel to the base line...bounces on the floor...prior to securing ball, player B calls timeout. Upon securing the ball referee acknowledges timeout...clocks reads .4 sec. Do we put time back on the clock?
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2003, 11:47am
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No, you do not. The clock must be properly started and stopped.

And, technically, the TO should not be granted since the requyest was not made while there was player control.
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2003, 11:48am
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2003, 11:52am
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Would you consider that the "one-second time differential" between whistle and timekeeper?

Any reference to where I can look this up?
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Old Wed Feb 05, 2003, 12:40pm
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According to rule 5.10, a referee may only correct the time on the clock if he/she has definite knowledge of the correct time remaining. The official may use a count (such as a 5 second closely guarded count or 10 second back court count) to help in determining the correct time.

The case book also notes that the official must give the timer "lag" time to stop the clock. According to the book, one second is considered lag time. So if the clock should have been stopped at 5 seconds and it shows 4.1 seconds, no correction should be made.

What differs your case from the case book example is that the clock is stopped, then started and stopped again. In the case book, they refer to plays where the clock was already in motion. Tough call, but you probably have to consider that the lag time.
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Old Thu Feb 06, 2003, 04:15pm
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Talking Re: more to the story...

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...ball kareems high off the rim
you sure the ball wasn't still in the alcindor?
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Old Thu Feb 06, 2003, 04:18pm
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Hey pizanno, great catch. Very funny! Love it!
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Old Thu Feb 06, 2003, 04:54pm
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lol...thanks for the laugh...needed it
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Old Thu Feb 06, 2003, 05:29pm
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I agree that the TO should not have been granted. Cannot grant a TO that is requested without player control. When you consider the fact that the player must catch (starting clock), request and be acknowledge, then whistle blow (stopping clock) - a 1 second loss here is entirely reasonable.
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Old Thu Feb 06, 2003, 08:02pm
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Suppose B allowed the ball to bounce out of bounds. That would be an AP since there's no control, right? Then, IF B had the AP, they could call the time out and no time lost, right?
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Old Thu Feb 06, 2003, 08:07pm
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Re: New Thought

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Suppose B allowed the ball to bounce out of bounds. That would be an AP since there's no control, right? Then, IF B had the AP, they could call the time out and no time lost, right?
No, it wouldn't be an AP. The opponent of the last team to touch the ball would get it.

That's pretty scary that you don't know that.
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Old Thu Feb 06, 2003, 08:17pm
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Pretty scary. . .well, I admit to not being a veteran ref. I also admit to the occasional brain fart. Now that I think about it, of course you're right. I've never seen the ball go off the rim and then out of bounds. But, if someone shoots the ball and airballs it right out of bounds, the other team is awarded the ball. I guess I was just thinking that their's no team control on a try, but that doesn't void the last touch. So if B had the opportunity to let it go out of bounds, that would be the smart thing to do.
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