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MelbRef Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:50pm

Travel or Jump Ball?
 
What do you call?

A1 drives to basket, begins to gather ball, but defender puts hand on the ball (pins it) which causes A1 to take extra steps.

VaTerp Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:09am

Have to see this type of play but as you said it's either a held ball or a travel. If the offensive player takes the extra steps in attempt to retain possession I likely go with the travel, otherwise it's to the arrow.

bob jenkins Sat Jun 18, 2011 07:19am

Held ball.

Adam Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:06am

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Originally Posted by MelbRef (Post 766432)
What do you call?

A1 drives to basket, begins to gather ball, but defender puts hand on the ball (pins it) which causes A1 to take extra steps.

Easy held ball call; by definition the shot has begun and he's prevented from releasing it.

BillyMac Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:09am

Pick Up, Dust Off ...
 
(Apologies to Frank Sinatra.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelbRef (Post 766432)
A1 drives to basket, begins to gather ball, but defender puts hand on the ball (pins it) which causes A1 to take extra steps.

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 766487)
Held ball.

A few other held ball, or travel, situations from the files of the Mythbusters:

When an airborne player keeps control of an attempted shot that is blocked and is unable to release the ball and returns to the floor with it, that player has not traveled; it is a held ball. If, in this situation, the shooter loses control of the ball because of the block, then this is simply a blocked shot and play continues. If, in this situation, the defender simply touches the ball, and the airborne shooter returns to the floor holding the ball, it’s a traveling violation. When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and picks up the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.

Nevadaref Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:08pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 766513)
Easy held ball call; by definition the shot has begun and he's prevented from releasing it.

Not so fast, sir! Is A1 an airborne player? ;)

(Hint: Check the definition of held ball.)

ontheway Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:53pm

is a defenders hand pinning the ball equivalent to equal possesion?

bainsey Mon Jun 20, 2011 09:03am

Would you call this fully accurate...? (If not, why not?)

If the ball-holder picks up and sets down his pivot foot, it's a travel.

If the ball-holder picks up and sets down his pivot foot while a defender has his hand on the ball, it's a held ball.

just another ref Mon Jun 20, 2011 09:15am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 767019)
Would you call this fully accurate...? (If not, why not?)

If the ball-holder picks up and sets down his pivot foot, it's a travel.

If the ball-holder picks up and sets down his pivot foot while a defender has his hand on the ball, it's a held ball.

Did the defender's hand on the ball prevent the player from releasing the ball?

Adam Mon Jun 20, 2011 09:19am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 766905)
Not so fast, sir! Is A1 an airborne player? ;)

(Hint: Check the definition of held ball.)

Yeah, I realized that after I posted it, just forgot to come back and address it.

bainsey Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:34am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 767024)
Did the defender's hand on the ball prevent the player from releasing the ball?

Okay, let's modify.

If the ball-holder picks up and sets down his pivot foot, while a defender's hand on the ball prevents the ball-holder from releasing it, it's a held ball.

How's that?

Adam Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:51am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 767049)
Okay, let's modify.

If the ball-holder picks up and sets down his pivot foot, while a defender's hand on the ball prevents the ball-holder from releasing it, it's a held ball.

How's that?

By pure definition? No. As Nevada notes, check out the definition of held ball. Should be in rule 4 somewhere.

bob jenkins Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:56am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 767019)
Would you call this fully accurate...? (If not, why not?)

If the ball-holder picks up and sets down his pivot foot, it's a travel.

If the ball-holder picks up and sets down his pivot foot while a defender has his hand on the ball, it's a held ball.

1) Yes.

2) On a rules test? No. In a game? 95% of the time Yes.

tref Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:02am

4-25
It seems as though one part of the definition pertains to an airborne player unable to release the ball on a pass or try.

The other part of the definition is, opponents hands firmly on the ball so that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 767049)
If the ball-holder picks up and sets down his pivot foot, while a defender's hand on the ball prevents the ball-holder from releasing it, it's a held ball.

I'm going with a held ball prior to the travel here.

Adam Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tref (Post 767057)
4-25
It seems as though one part of the definition pertains to an airborne player unable to release the ball on a pass or try.

The other part of the definition is, opponents hands firmly on the ball so that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness.



I'm going with a held ball prior to the travel here.

Since the player isn't airborne, you have to use the "other part," which states "hands". One hand isn't enough, IOW.

That said, always listen to bob.


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