Strange

[bkiledad]

In a high school game A1 gets a shot blocked but gets his rebound. As he goes up to shoot again he is fouled, but he cannot release the ball. Out of frustration, he slams the ball to the ground, causing it to bounce above the backboard. Technical foul. A1 has 2 free throws to be followed by team B's two shots for the "T." Before A1 can shoot, his coach punishes his "T" by sending him to the locker room. Can he do that? Can his sub shoot the free throws for him?

What if the "T" on A1 had been his 5th foul?

[mick]

Originally posted by bkiledad
In a high school game A1 gets a shot blocked but gets his rebound. As he goes up to shoot again he is fouled, but he cannot release the ball. Out of frustration, he slams the ball to the ground, causing it to bounce above the backboard. Technical foul. A1 has 2 free throws to be followed by team B's two shots for the "T." Before A1 can shoot, his coach punishes his "T" by sending him to the locker room. Can he do that? Can his sub shoot the free throws for him?

What if the "T" on A1 had been his 5th foul?

If the player is sent out by the coach for that reason, I will assume that player was injured.

In the case of the 5th foul, yes the legal Sub will shoot.

[Josh Ovens]

i dont think a coach can take that player out because he still has his 2 FT to shoot. If a player is not injured, he must shoot the FT. i give thumbs up to the coach for what hes trying to do but i wouldnt allow it until after the 2 shots from his T were shot, then a player can sub for him.

[BigJoe]

Josh, I know where you are coming from. But step back a minute and examine this situation. If the coach feels this strongly about sending his player to the showers, and isn't trying to put in a "ringer" to shoot the free throws, I think Mick has a point. Does an injury have to be only physical? If he gets that upset, maybe his "mental" injury caused the temper outburst and has saved you from something much worse later in the game. Just something to think about.
I hate to agree with Mick too often, though.

[mick]

Originally posted by BigJoe
I hate to agree with Mick too often, though.

Ouch !

[Brad]

No way that the player can be removed from the game for a "mental" or fake injury. He needs to remain in to shoot the free throws.

Also, we should not allow a player to be sent off to the locker room unless accompanied by an adult. Especially in this situation where the player is angry/upset — unsupervised he might hurt himself by punching a locker or something equally stupid.

[Stan]

Originally posted by Brad


Also, we should not allow a player to be sent off to the locker room unless accompanied by an adult. Especially in this situation where the player is angry/upset — unsupervised he might hurt himself by punching a locker or something equally stupid.

The officials didn't send him, the coach did. Kids go to the locker room alot. tape, towels, water, go potty, etc.

That kid is not our responsibility if the coach sends him. Is he?

[Brad]

That kid is not our responsibility if the coach sends him. Is he?

If I saw the coach telling the player to leave and go to the locker room, I would not allow him to do so unless the kid was accompanied by an adult.

Technically, he may or may not be our responsibility, but I don't want my name on the lawsuit if the kid goes to the locker room and hurts himself.

In this situation it is almost besides the point, since the kid should remain in the game to shoot the free throws.

Of course, if the coach really wants him removed from the game all he has to do is get the player to do something deserving of a second technical

[Stan]

Originally posted by BigJoe
Josh, I know where you are coming from. But step back a minute and examine this situation. If the coach feels this strongly about sending his player to the showers, and isn't trying to put in a "ringer" to shoot the free throws, I think Mick has a point. Does an injury have to be only physical? If he gets that upset, maybe his "mental" injury caused the temper outburst and has saved you from something much worse later in the game. Just something to think about.
I hate to agree with Mick too often, though.

I have to agree with Big Joe and Mick. And, I can't believe I am arguing with the administrator.

Stan

[Brad]

To me, it's simple -- Rule 8-2.

The free throw(s) awared because of a personal foul shall be attempted by the offended player. If such player must withdraw because of an injury or disqualification, his/her substitute shall attempt the throw(s) as selected by the team captain or head coach.

The player in this situation is not injured, even by some strange, twisted definition of the word. There is no way, by rule, that he can be taken out by the coach.

Think about this -- what if this was at the end of a tied game? With maybe 5-10 second left? And what if this player was a 50% free-throw shooter and the coach subs in a 90% free-throw shooter?

Does that change your approach at all?

(BTW -- now I'm just a "member", so that you don't have to argue with the admin )

[Dan_ref]

I can't believe what I'm reading.

- If A1 is not injured he must shoot the FT's.

- How could you let an obviously emotional player (mentally injured?) go unescorted to the locker room. Forget about any lawsuit that might be coming your way. Think about the potential damage to school property, let alone himself, that might result.

[mick]

Originally posted by Brad
To me, it's simple -- Rule 8-2.

The player in this situation is not injured, even by some strange, twisted definition of the word. There is no way, by rule, that he can be taken out by the coach.

Think about this -- what if this was at the end of a tied game? With maybe 5-10 second left? And what if this player was a 50% free-throw shooter and the coach subs in a 90% free-throw shooter?

Does that change your approach at all?


(BTW -- now I'm just a "member", so that you don't have to argue with the admin )

Brad,
The premise (set above) was that the reason the coach made the kid go away was cuz of what he did and not his shooting percentage.

If the Coach came to me and calmly said, "Mick, I really don't want that player on the floor. He knows that his actions are not allowed on our athletic teams. I know this is outside the rules, but I can't allow him to shoot those throws... for any reason!", that'll work for me.

Of course, this will never happen U.P. here.

[Brad]

First problem with your premise -- coaches don't know the rules, so he wouldn't know what was allowable

Secondly, it's against the rules.

[mick]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
I can't believe what I'm reading.

- If A1 is not injured he must shoot the FT's.

- How could you let an obviously emotional player (mentally injured?) go unescorted to the locker room. Forget about any lawsuit that might be coming your way. Think about the potential damage to school property, let alone himself, that might result.

Aw, it ain't that bad.

Was he unescorted? I missed that somewhere. No, I think we absolutely need someone with him. (That's a great place for most Assistant coaches, just sit in there an wait for a player to enter.)

What if the Coach came to you and said, "That kid has just been suspended from the team, ...by me and my Athletic Director."

[mick]

Originally posted by Brad
First problem with your premise -- coaches don't know the rules, so he wouldn't know what was allowable

Secondly, it's against the rules.

Oh sure... use the book.
What ever happened to artistic impression?

If the coach says he ain't eligible, is he eligible?