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Originally posted by CK
Chuck
I also respect your insights. I will continue to read your post as well, because they have content, common sense and correctness to them.

Yeah,right! :D
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Originally posted by Huskerblue
I have seen the mechanic for flagrant intentional as follows: Give the intentional foul signal and then proceed to pull your arms down in front of your chest, as if you were making an X in front of you. Not sure if this is an official meachanic but a few in my association say that is what they were taught.

This is a NC2A mechanic and it means a hard foul, but not flagrant.

CK,

I apologize if my comment sounded like I was taking you to task. That post was intended as a joke, and was directed right between JR's eyes :) He got the joke, as you can tell from his last two graphics.

JR is, in fact, worth paying attention to (when he's not too busy digging through new gif's). I was just trying to take a little dig at him. I was not lobbying for recognition, honest. :) Keep posting and reading. You'll learn plenty. Maybe even from JR :p

Chuck

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Originally posted by CK
I think I might of missed something! Under NF 4-19-4 it says "It may or may not be intentional", please explain?

CK

The *act* might be intentional; the *foul* isn't.

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
That post was intended as a joke, and was directed right between JR's eyes :)

Shows what you know. There's nothing between JR's eyes!

Or his ears!

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown

I agree Bob. Rule 10-3-9 makes the differentiation for a player technical as "intentionally or flagrantly contacting an opponent..."

So what is your answer to the original question Bob? How is a flagrant foul administered? How do you tell the coaches/audience that a flagrant foul has been committed?

Also, reading the note at the end of section 10-3, I get the feeling that there is no ejection for a PERSONAL flagrant foul - only for the technical flagrant. Is that right?

What are some other examples of a flagrant act besides fighting? I had assumed that flagrant acts included some deliberateness... some intention.

1)For a flagrant foul,you notify the player that he/she has been disqualified,then notify the scorer of the flagrant foul(and it's type-personal or technical),then tell the coach that his player has been disqualified for the flagrant foul.
2)For the penalty for a personal flagrant foul,see Rule 10-6PENALTY,plus Summary of Penalties(#4)on next page.
3)Examples of a flagrant act besides fighting are kicking,kneeing,or any violent contact that you might wanna call flagrant.
4)Right out of the definition in R4-19-4,it states that a flagrant personal foul may or may not be intentional.It's done that way,I think,to stop the second-guessing when you toss someone.

JR,
Question on your #1....For a flagrant foul, etc....
Would you not want to inform the coach first, like you would when a player has fouled out? By informing the coach first, that then makes the player bench personnel (immediately putting the responsibility of that player on the coach), then if that player happens to do anything else 'crazy' that warrants additional technical(s) before he leaves the court, those additional technical(s) would then also go as indirect to the coach.

This might sound irrelevant, but I think there is some merit to it. Thoughts?

This should help

Looking on the Summary of Penalties for All Fouls after Rule 10, I see item #8 (last years book) Fighting

(a)(1) corresponding number from each team (same number of fighters) - double flagrant fouls, all participants are ejected, no free throws... put in play by Alternating Possession ("double" meaning offsetting flagrants for each pair of 'corresponding' opponents)

(a)(2) number of participants are not corresponding... two free throws... for each additional player, offended team (one with fewer fighters) awarded a division line throw-in.

From that, I assume we can surmise that the throw-in should be at the division line, independent of the fight location, even if the AP arrow is used.

Casebook plays 10.4.4 Situations A thru C cover it pretty well also.

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Originally posted by IUgrad92
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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
1)For a flagrant foul,you notify the player that he/she has been disqualified,then notify the scorer of the flagrant foul(and it's type-personal or technical),then tell the coach that his player has been disqualified for the flagrant foul.

Scorer, coach, then player - for any ejection/DQ.

That way, if the player goes off, it's the coach's responsibility.