shot clock

jjaw2 · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 07:28am

Boys Basketball. A question about shot clock. Team A has ball and AP arrow is pointing to A. A1's shot lodges in basket flange. Team A is awarded ball as result of Apo arrow. Is shot clock reset? Any specific rule or code reference as all I get are opinions.

mikesears · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 07:39am

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Originally posted by jjaw2
Boys Basketball. A question about shot clock. Team A has ball and AP arrow is pointing to A. A1's shot lodges in basket flange. Team A is awarded ball as result of Apo arrow. Is shot clock reset? Any specific rule or code reference as all I get are opinions.

Not an official ruling by any means but logically, this is how I might think about this.

Wouldn't the touching precede the violation? Which one happened first? The ball touched the rim, shot clock is reset, then the violation happened because the ball was then stuck.

You will probably get an official answer from someone here who uses a shot clock (and has actually officiated in the last year).

Marty Rogers · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 07:48am

There are shot clock procedures listed at IAABO.org.
Click on "charts" and click "shot clock."

The shot clock is NOT reset in your example since the OFFENSIVE team is again awareded the ball.

PS I have no idea what mikesears is talking about??

Marty Rogers · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 07:55am

The next question:

Where will the throw-in occur for A?

mikesears · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 08:08am

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Originally posted by Marty Rogers
PS I have no idea what mikesears is talking about??

I've been out of officiating for a year or two and never had to deal with a shot clock. Logically, it would seem that the shot clock would be reset (but I guess logic only goes so far). Also, NCAA rules differ from other rule sets, so it would be interesting to know how the NCAA would handle this.

Thats the reason I said that what I said was unofficial.

DrakeM · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 08:23am

NCAA Rule 2-13
Article 6-d A.R. 29 has your situation.
The shot clock is reset.

ChuckElias · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 08:44am

Marty, the shot clock resets b/c the ball struck the rim on a try. The ball then lodges between the rim and the backboard. So that creates the held ball. Team A gets the ball back (due to the arrow) on the endline from a designated spot.

Chuck

A Pennsylvania Coach · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 08:57am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Marty, the shot clock resets b/c the ball struck the rim on a try. The ball then lodges between the rim and the backboard. So that creates the held ball. Team A gets the ball back (due to the arrow) on the endline from a designated spot.

Chuck

So if a pass is deflected by the defense up into the air and gets stuck in between the rim & backboard, no reset?

ChuckElias · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 09:03am

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Originally posted by A Pennsylvania Coach
So if a pass is deflected by the defense up into the air and gets stuck in between the rim & backboard, no reset?

That's right, Coach. Shot clock resets when the the ball hits the rim during a try (NCAA 2-13-6.d).

zebraman · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 09:30am

Here in Washington State we use a shot clock for girl's basketball and the clock is reset anytime there is a held ball regardless of which team gets possession.

Z

ChuckElias · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 09:42am

I like the NBA's thinking on this topic. When there's a held ball, the players jump and if the offense retains possession, the shot clock either remains where it is, or gets reset to 14, whichever is greater. I like this, b/c if the shot clock is down to 2, it still gives the offense time to run a play. But it doesn't give them a full reset, which might give a bigger advantage than it should. Just my opinion.

Chuck

Marty Rogers · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 02:39pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Marty, the shot clock resets b/c the ball struck the rim on a try. The ball then lodges between the rim and the backboard. So that creates the held ball. Team A gets the ball back (due to the arrow) on the endline from a designated spot.

Chuck

In the original post, I "envisioned" a try being thrown up and landing (sticking) in the rim. It said nothing about the ball bouncing off the rim and then lodging in the flange. Would these two "events" be the same, or different?

Back In The Saddle · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Jan 28, 2003, 03:09pm

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Originally posted by Marty Rogers
In the original post, I "envisioned" a try being thrown up and landing (sticking) in the rim. It said nothing about the ball bouncing off the rim and then lodging in the flange. Would these two "events" be the same, or different?

I cannot envision any situation where the ball would lodge before it touches the rim. The physics of the situation would are such that the ball has to touch the rim, and then get lodged. So...I believe they are the same question.

Mark Dexter · #14 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 30, 2003, 12:54am

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Originally posted by Marty Rogers

In the original post, I "envisioned" a try being thrown up and landing (sticking) in the rim. It said nothing about the ball bouncing off the rim and then lodging in the flange. Would these two "events" be the same, or different?

Ball doesn't need to strike the rim - the shot clock shall be reset "When a try for goal strikes the ring or flange" (2-13.6d. and A.R. 29). (Emphasis mine). By getting stuck, the ball has touched the flange.