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I had to deal with a similar situation earlier this season. In the 4th quarter of a very intense, sometimes chippy, game (score was close), one player intentionally pushed another to the floor as the ball was being advanced up the floor after a made basket. I'm sure your thought process was about the same as mine, in that you don't have time to think "hmmmm, intentional or flagrant?". You just make your call. In my case, my call was intentional, and from the sound of your situation, I would have made the same call.
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Contact during dead ball - Technical No contact during a live ball - Violation, if it meets the guidelines. No contact during a dead ball - Possible T if you consider the incident unsporting. Otherwise, nothing.
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Well, I knew what....
....the right call was as I headed to the table.
The problem was that the ball was 30 feet upcourt and when the incident happened I called a technical at the spot. Let's just say that I knew it was the wrong call five steps towards the table (which didn't happen right away because I stayed with the players to make sure there wouldn't be any further activity). I would bet cash money that I was the only one that knew that I called the wrong thing, but that doesn't matter. I WAS wrong. Having called the technical, I made the decision to stay with it and get the game started. The player that got the technical was pulled from the game, we shot the throws, and we continued play. A clear rules mistake that I won't make again. Regards, Rich
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First off, dead ball contact is only a technical if it is intentional or flagrant, so all dead ball T's are intentional or flagrant technicals (usually don't have to report the intentional part). Second, for "no contact during a live ball," you could have a T. The player could (I can't think of an example right now) display unsportsmanlike conduct or could throw a punch/kick that doesn't connect (fighting, by rule, includes simply throwing a punch). Just some thoughts.
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Chuck:
Probably no difference at all. I thought about that too. Hindsight is always 20/20  Actually, since the contact happened across the table near the division line the only thing that would've changed ON THE COURT is that the player fouled would've been required to shoot the free throws. It was a hard play for me to describe -- the only reaction I had at the time was, "How unsporting." I mean, the elbow itself wasn't vicious (which is why I didn't see it as flagrant). But it was calculated and was into the back of the other player. Easy call in football Rich
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