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Friday night VB games, 2 very quick athletic teams, but one was a lot bigger and better than the other. The better team jumped out by 10 early, and steadily pulled away. Both teams did quite a bit of pressing, so even though this was a small gym, partner and I were spread out quite a bit.
Just before the half there was a steal at midcourt. I was lead at about the FT line. To be honest I probably did not bust my butt to get back into this particular play, so as they finished their 3 on 1 break I was still several feet in the backcourt. I think the kid that scored on this play had dunking the ball on his mind, but instead kinda finger-rolled it into the basket. But in doing so he also took 2 big showboat type steps which I felt easily could have been called a travel. During the break I remarked about this to my partner, saying I might have called it had I been less than 50 feet away. He bristled up, and though he didn't say so, I think he thought I was criticizing him for not making the call. This was absolutely not my intention and I said so, backtracking even further saying it was my call as much or more than his and I was probably out of position. He seemed unaffected by my apology, and said that I should have either called it or not mentioned it. I let it drop. 2 questions: Was this remark inappropriate or was my partner too sensitive? Does everybody else have any limit on distance when making any call, and traveling in particular? I believe I read a comment on one of the boards where someone said there should be an official sitting in a chair at midcourt just to call travels. I think I know what he meant by that, as I have told people I felt like I could call a travel from the parking lot. Opinions, please.
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Sun Jan 19, 2003, 11:00pm
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Sensitive or Ego?
The objective of you, as the officiating team, should be to get it right.
This is how I would pre-game this with my partner. I have found that sometimes as a "new" lead hustling back to get in position on a division line steal-fast break can end up too close to the play to see the feet, mid-and upper body action simultaneously. If you as a trail see this at mid-court by all means call it. My opinion about your partner's response in this situation: Forget about it... He has to check his ego.
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Sun Jan 19, 2003, 11:19pm
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Too Sensitive.
I would not worry about it, but you friend was a little too sensitive about the play.
Yes, I do have some problems with making calls that I am too far away from. But I try to hustle to not be in that situation. And if I did hustle, then my partner had a good look at that play, I trust him to make the right decision. Peace
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Mon Jan 20, 2003, 12:56am
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Yes...he was too sensitive. It really bugs me when you can't talk to your partner without them taking everything personally.
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Mon Jan 20, 2003, 01:14am
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While I think your partner was way too defensive and should be able to talk about it without getting all grouchy, there are a couple things you said that bother me.
1) You admittedly didn't hustle on the play. We should always hustle, so if you didn't bust your butt like you should, I don't see how you can question a call in his primary area. 2) Big "showboat steps?" I don't know what a showboat step is. Traveling is based on the pivot foot, not on steps. The more experienced a ref I become, the less travels I call. Z
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Mon Jan 20, 2003, 01:40am
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Player picks up his dribble and takes 2 more steps which is certainly a travel. It was explained to me once that when a person is running both feet are off the floor a large percentage of the time, therefore if there is any doubt you kind of assume that both feet were off the ground when he picked up that dribble, thereby making that 2 step layup legal. (I never really bought that explanation, but it is just that if nobody else calls all of 'em travels, I guess that I shouldn't either.) It follows in my interpretation that the slower and more deliberate the steps in such a maneuver, the more obvious it is that at least one foot was on the floor when the dribble was ended and the easier it is to call such a play a travel. The "showboat" reference simply meant that this guy was moving rather slowly and took 2 big giant steps, strutted in if you will, and wanted to dunk but thought better of it at the last second.
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Mon Jan 20, 2003, 02:23am
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Oh man,
Your partner needs to lighten up. I had a somewhat similar situation once, with me in your partner's place. When my P asked about it, I winked at him and asked him "you got that good a look from eighty feet away, did you?" We both chuckled, and that was that. Either your partner was having a bad day or he takes himself too seriously. Having said that, at least get your butt over half-court next time.
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Mon Jan 20, 2003, 02:11pm
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2 steps has nothing to do with it, it has to do with the pivot foot. Many players end their dribble in the air. The first foot to land is then the pivot foot. Then they land with the second foot (your second step which you are calling a travel) which is legal (their non-pivot foot). Then they jump off their pivot foot to shoot. You can lift your pivot foot to shoot or pass (but not to dribble) so that is completely legal. Don't call a travel because it looks funny because number of steps and "looks funny" aren't what it's based on. Pivot foot! Z
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Mon Jan 20, 2003, 02:45pm
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sigh..
Sounds like a "testoserone fueled" guy thang..
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Tue Jan 21, 2003, 01:56am
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As you describe it here, the play is certainly legal. However, it is my belief that more often players have at least one foot, many times both feet on the floor when they pick up their dribble. The more time this move takes, perhaps involving a head fake or a ball fake or whatever, the easier it is to see and to be certain that the pivot foot was indeed lifted and returned to the floor. Taking it one step further, some players want to do a 360 while they take these 2 illegal steps. I call this a Penny Hardaway 360 move, legal in the NBA, but not legal in any game I ever attended.
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Tue Jan 21, 2003, 08:23am
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I have to play the devil's advocate here. If you make that call from half court, you would get your butt chewed by any supervisor that I have ran across: JC, D1, and Pro. Also, trust your partner here. If the player traveled, that is your partners call and I wouldn't question him about it in the manner you did. I would ask him what he saw, or say that looked crazy from your angle. We are both getting paid the same for this game and with your comment it seems like you aren't trusting me to earn my paycheck.
Personally I wouldn't care what you saw or said and I would have laughed it off saying that since he didn't travel I am glad that you were too slow to get into position to call it. Or something along those lines to laugh it off. Bottom line: in this situation I would keep my comments to myself.
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