Traveling? Double Dribble? No call?

[Buckley11]

I'm with you rainmaker. It sure would have made it easy on us if one of the other 9 players would have been aggressive to the ball and not allowed A1 to be the first to touch it. I guess when you put your livlihood in the hands of 16-17-18 year old kids you can be made to look stupid.

Keep the faith.

Buckley

[rpirtle]

Originally posted by oc
agree traveling--unless the ball hits the ground before A1 recovers--then Double dribble.
---They dribbled while penetrating the lane right?

Passing the ball is not the beginning of another dribble. The Rule Book states, "A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once or several times." If you have feel that he passed the ball to the perimeter, you don't have another dribble and so you will not have double dribble. If he then retrieves the pass before the ball is touched by another player (regardless of whether it touched the floor or not), you can only have traveling. At least that's MH(umble)O.

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by rpirtle

Passing the ball is not the beginning of another dribble.

This depends on what happens to the pass.
Please tell me how a pass which does not touch another player, but does bounce on the floor, and the player who threw it is then the first one to touch the ball, differs from a dribble. I say it does not.
Look closely at the rule that you quoted. I emphasize the words in bold.

Originally posted by rpirtle
The Rule Book states, "A dribble is ball movement caused by a player in control who bats (intentionally strikes the ball with the hand(s)) or pushes the ball to the floor once or several times."

Just because the ball travels horizontally for a while as it is going to the floor, does not mean that this motion does not qualify as a dribble. There is no requirement that the ball must start with a downward movement to qualify as a dribble.
Haven't you ever seen a player start a break by tossing the ball out in front of himself several feet, running after it, allowing it to hit the floor, and then upon catching up to it continue to dribble? In this play, the first bounce is considered a dribble. Examine the ruling at the end of 4.15.4 Sit E(b). "Since the ball did not touch the floor, the tossing and subsequent catch is not part of a dribble nor is it the start and end of a dribble."

This phrasing makes it clear that if the ball had been allowed to hit the floor, this action would have been considered a dribble and therefore no traveling violation would have occurred.