Who Let The Dogs Out ???

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Mark does it because it gets him attention. That's it, that's the list.

And Rich's reasoning has nothing to do with get in get out. As a varsity official, he'd rather see that process because it keeps his own games on schedule; which would also be better for the fans and ADs.

There is nobody involved that wants late running preliminary games. I'm guessing MAYBE the JV coach cares. Maybe.

Last year, I was standing in the corner with both teams (small gym) waiting for the JV game to finish so I can stand across from the table for 20 minutes watching girls not dunk. Both coaches were there and were talking to each other and to us. You should've heard them and the varsity players as the game went to OT and then to 2OT. The visiting coach openly rooted for one of her school's players to miss a free throw so the game would be over. We were all laughing at that.

As it is, these games are scheduled very tightly so that the busses don't have to leave the schools any earlier. JV (called Sophomore games at some schools/conferences) games start anywhere from 5:50PM to 6PM around here and are played on the varsity court. It takes everything going perfectly well to start on time. A whistle-happy JV crew will push a game back 15 minutes, at least. An OT will push it back at least 15-25 minutes. 2OT? We started at 8:15PM.

The only recognition the JVs get is a one line entry at the bottom of the boxscore. It'll say something like "JV: Washington won." I've never seen standings printed or statistics kept and at many schools, kids will be held out of a quarter or two so they can play some time in the varsity game (OTs do not affect this rule as OT is considered part of the 4th quarter for purposes of that rule).

So why not end in a tie, then? It's not only the officials who think that way -- it's the coaches, players, administrators, game day staff, officials, security, custodians, etc.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

There is nobody involved that wants late running preliminary games. I'm guessing MAYBE the JV coach cares. Maybe.

Last year, I was standing in the corner with both teams (small gym) waiting for the JV game to finish so I can stand across from the table for 20 minutes watching girls not dunk. Both coaches were there and were talking to each other and to us. You should've heard them and the varsity players as the game went to OT and then to 2OT. The visiting coach openly rooted for one of her school's players to miss a free throw so the game would be over. We were all laughing at that.

As it is, these games are scheduled very tightly so that the busses don't have to leave the schools any earlier. JV (called Sophomore games at some schools/conferences) games start anywhere from 5:50PM to 6PM around here and are played on the varsity court. It takes everything going perfectly well to start on time. A whistle-happy JV crew will push a game back 15 minutes, at least. An OT will push it back at least 15-25 minutes. 2OT? We started at 8:15PM.

Well said Rich. Were you at my 2OT JV Game last yr? The V Officials, who also watched from the corner, didn't like the delay, but they said we did a really good job managing the game.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The only recognition the JVs get is a one line entry at the bottom of the boxscore.

They don't even get this much recognition around here.

[Adam]

I never check the box scores, so I don't know if they get mentioned here.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I never check the box scores, so I don't know if they get mentioned here.

One, my son is a HS junior. Having coached him and his buddies for many yrs, I like to see how his buds and their Team's are doing.

In the Washington Post they also list the box scores near the posting of the local Team Rankings. So when I look to see if any of my upcoming games have any "really good" teams, I might take a glance at a box score or two.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by grunewar

One, my son is a HS junior. Having coached him and his buddies for many yrs, I like to see how his buds and their Team's are doing.

In the Washington Post they also list the box scores near the posting of the local Team Rankings. So when I look to see if any of my upcoming games have any "really good" teams, I might take a glance at a box score or two.

I'll check the games in the morning. They list the number of fouls called in a game and I'm curious (1) how many we called and (2) how that compares with the other games in the listings. Of course, before the games, I check the records of the teams, look at their schedules, and get the first names of head coaches before I go, too.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Of course, before the games, I check the records of the teams, look at their schedules, and get the first names of head coaches before I go, too.

I'd have to do some digging for this info.

The Post will list the "Top 20" Teams, their records, their next opponent, and their abridged box-score (as I recall - player, points, half-time and final score). For all the other info, I'd have to to look to the "interweb"..... most times it just ain't happening.

Now, in the smaller town where I grew up, yep, a lot of that info was right there for all to see.

[APG]

If the coaches don't want to play OT so badly or are worried about starting the varsity game on time, then the coach's should just agree to shorten the OT period or just don't play it. As is, I'm indifferent about non-varsity games going into OT. Doesn't happen enough in my experience to where we should just declare it a tie.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

... Of course, before the games, I check the records of the teams, look at their schedules, and get the first names of head coaches before I go, too.

I don't need to check the paper to find out their first names. They all have the same first name to me, "Coach".

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't need to check the paper to find out their first names. They all have the same first name to me, "Coach".

I don't either -- I can look in the program I grab on the way in the school.

I use first names at all levels. I give the coaches every opportunity to use my first name (and most do).

And as always, this is a regional thing.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The only recognition the JVs get is a one line entry at the bottom of the boxscore. It'll say something like "JV: Washington won." I've never seen standings printed or statistics kept and at many schools, kids will be held out of a quarter or two so they can play some time in the varsity game (OTs do not affect this rule as OT is considered part of the 4th quarter for purposes of that rule).

They do not get that much mention here or the game. No one cares about those games but the participants and maybe their parents. Just a fact of the business.

Originally Posted by RichMSN

So why not end in a tie, then? It's not only the officials who think that way -- it's the coaches, players, administrators, game day staff, officials, security, custodians, etc.

I do agree with you there.

Peace