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Hawks Coach Wed Jan 08, 2003 12:48pm

Lately I have been seeing this occur every game, I think because we play different lane rules in AAU (women's NCAA)and we have players adjusting to the NFHS lane rules, where there are more players allowed.

Team A shooting, Team B takes spots 1-3 on the right, 1-4 on the left, with A taking 2-4 on the right and 2 on the left (A has 3 players on the lane, and B moves toward shooter on side where A does not have a second rebounder). After first shot, A1 crosses lane from spot 4 on right to open spot 3 on left. How long do you allow for B1 to switch spots with A1 and put the world back in harmonious order? :)

I see refs delivering the ball right away, refs looking at B1 like "Duh, are you going to switch already," and several permutations in between. Do you see this often, and if so, how do you handle?

w_sohl Wed Jan 08, 2003 12:51pm

If the players are moving around I just mention to them to get set and I try to get the ball back to the shooter for the second shot as fast as possible without rushing it back to the shooter.

ChuckElias Wed Jan 08, 2003 12:55pm

This kind of action usually only takes 5 or 10 seconds. So I ignore it, and let them find the spot where they feel comfy. If they just can't figure it out, and stand there talking to each other about where they're supposed to be, I step in and tell them to take a spot, wait an extra second or two, then bounce the ball to the shooter. It's amazing how fast they figure out where they're supposed to be. . .

Chuck

NCAAREF Wed Jan 08, 2003 01:58pm

Lane Spaces?
 
Not sure what you mean by lane space 2 and 4. There are only three lane spaces available on each side of the key. By NCAA Women's Rules, the bottom lane spaces on both sides MUST be occupied by the defense. The next lane space MAY be occupied by the offense ONLY, and the last or top lane space MAY be occupied by the defense ONLY. This prevents any switching except for spots between teammates.
http://www.gifs.net/animate/bball.gif

ChuckElias Wed Jan 08, 2003 02:01pm

I thought in women's ball, the bottom lane spaces had to be left empty?

Chuck

Dan_ref Wed Jan 08, 2003 02:06pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
I thought in women's ball, the bottom lane spaces had to be left empty?

Chuck

You thought correctly, I think what ncaaref meant was the lowest available space goes to the defense, etc. But I don't see the point of his comment, I thought the original question concerned nfhs. Or maybe I'm just completely confused...

btw, check your test scores yet? i might get around to it in a week or so myself ;)

ChuckElias Wed Jan 08, 2003 02:11pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
btw, check your test scores yet?
Yes, I did. 4 wrong. :mad:

Dan_ref Wed Jan 08, 2003 02:13pm

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
btw, check your test scores yet?
Yes, I did. 4 wrong. :mad:

Luckily you have good presents.

Hawks Coach Wed Jan 08, 2003 03:05pm

Re: Lane Spaces?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NCAAREF
Not sure what you mean by lane space 2 and 4. There are only three lane spaces available on each side of the key. By NCAA Women's Rules, the bottom lane spaces on both sides MUST be occupied by the defense. The next lane space MAY be occupied by the offense ONLY, and the last or top lane space MAY be occupied by the defense ONLY. This prevents any switching except for spots between teammates.
http://www.gifs.net/animate/bball.gif

Sorry to confuse you. In the Fall and at all AAU tournaments, we play NCAA rules, with the first space open, 2 and 4 to the defense, 3 to the offense. The situation I am referring to is occurring in winter games played under NFHS rules.

Mark Dexter Wed Jan 08, 2003 03:45pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
btw, check your test scores yet?
Yes, I did. 4 wrong. :mad:

Luckily you have good presents.

Don't forget his excellent presence, too. :p

Dan_ref Wed Jan 08, 2003 03:50pm

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Originally posted by Mark Dexter
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Originally posted by ChuckElias
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
btw, check your test scores yet?
Yes, I did. 4 wrong. :mad:

Luckily you have good presents.

Don't forget his excellent presence, too. :p

Seeing as I actually worked with Chuck last summer I would prefer not to discuss his presence, but I understand he got some very nice presents this past holiday season. And he was lucky to get them. :p

NCAAREF Wed Jan 08, 2003 04:27pm

Sorry for Confusion
 
My apologies gents and or ladies. I assumed he was indicating NCAA Women's rules and as such you're right the bottom lane space is empty. I consider the next lane space the bottom because of that and thus I added to the mix up. Sorry!

Jurassic Referee Wed Jan 08, 2003 06:54pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
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Seeing as I actually worked with Chuck last summer I would prefer not to discuss his presence,..... [/B][/QUOTE]What a crew!!

http://www.uselessgraphics.com/alice_09.gif

Tweedledum and Tweedledumber. :D

Dan_ref Wed Jan 08, 2003 11:01pm

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Quote:

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Seeing as I actually worked with Chuck last summer I would prefer not to discuss his presence,..... [/B]
What a crew!!

http://www.uselessgraphics.com/alice_09.gif

Tweedledum and Tweedledumber. :D [/B][/QUOTE]

Aw geeze, smoochy smoochy to you too. ;)

Nevadaref Thu Jan 09, 2003 02:39am

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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
How long do you allow for B1 to switch spots with A1 and put the world back in harmonious order? :)

Coach, by rule the player has until the free thrower catches the ball to move. See 8.1.2 Comment, 8.1.1A, 4-20-2, and 4-4-7b.

Hawks Coach Thu Jan 09, 2003 05:23pm

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Originally posted by Nevadaref
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Originally posted by Hawks Coach
How long do you allow for B1 to switch spots with A1 and put the world back in harmonious order? :)

Coach, by rule the player has until the free thrower catches the ball to move. See 8.1.2 Comment, 8.1.1A, 4-20-2, and 4-4-7b.

For the ball to be caught, it must first be released by an official - that was the crux of my question. I know the rule, I was asking about how officials deal with a specific situation.

DownTownTonyBrown Thu Jan 09, 2003 06:42pm

Quickly
 
About 2 seconds is enough. I hustle in and catch the ball as it comes out of the net... before it hits the ground.

2 seconds... check the table.

"Let's go ladies." (I say that for the men too!)

Hustling in and getting the rebound works well for me. I might have a couple of times per game that I need to make the "Let's go" comment. But in general, on those few occasions when they step into the lane to slap hands and encourage their teammate or switch places, they act kind of lost. They hurry right along when I'm standing in the middle of the key with the ball obviously waiting for them.


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