all part of my job?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Around here, it is a perk of being an official. If you have an official's card, you get in free, no matter who is playing. Jr. highs are not obligated to accept these cards, but every one I have ever attended does honor them.
The point here is that my card was refused, while another guy's identical card was accepted. I am told that this qualifies as discrimination, which goes past the point of showing ones a**, and reaches the point of being against the law.

Big jump there to call it discrimination. You did say yours was accepted then they came to find you to say it wasn't. Did the very same person let the other official in? Was it before or after you were informed that you had to pay? If after, Was it possible that someone else came along and re-corrected them? If before, did they try to find the other person but were unsuccessful? Was the other person a friend of the ticket taker? The questions could go on.

Perhaps it was discrimination but I'd be careful about throwing around those accusations simply because someone else got in free and you didn't. There could be 100's reasons that it occured (and, yes, one of them actually is discrimination).

[johnnyrao]

This probably will not be popular but I would have no desire to ever work a game with this team again. I have never had this situation where a person (coach, player, admin, parent) has attacked me personally so I am speaking off of my thoughts, not personal experience. If this happened to me I think I would gladly excuse myself from working any of their games again. I would call my assignor and association president and tell them I have no desire to work this school again. I know if I had to continue to work this team's games I would come home frustrated over one person who, from reading the posts, I do not think I can do anything about. Writing letters is great and I would do all those things, but from what just another ref says, it probably will not aftect this principal. Unfortunately, some people will not learn. So maybe it is time to stay away from him and continue to enjoy this wonderful game with other groups of people. I referee because, something my wife cannot figure out, I love to referee. If something makes me start to not love it I need to adjust fire or think abour giving it up. Maybe this is one of those times that adjusting fire is appropriate. Just a thought.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Big jump there to call it discrimination. You did say yours was accepted then they came to find you to say it wasn't. Did the very same person let the other official in? Was it before or after you were informed that you had to pay? If after, Was it possible that someone else came along and re-corrected them? If before, did they try to find the other person but were unsuccessful? Was the other person a friend of the ticket taker? The questions could go on.

Perhaps it was discrimination but I'd be careful about throwing around those accusations simply because someone else got in free and you didn't. There could be 100's reasons that it occured (and, yes, one of them actually is discrimination).

I don't know what defines discrimination, I was told this by someone else.
What happened is, the first day I presented my card and was allowed in.
But the principal saw me come in and sent the doorkeeper to get the money:
"Mr. principal says we don't honor these cards." This is his right. But the next day a friend went to the tournament, presented his card, and was allowed in. Principal was standing there, and announced, "Yeah, this card is okay, but there's another guy who will probably be here later," called my by name, "don't accept his card." Sounds kinda discriminatory to me, but I am not an attorney, and have not stayed at Holiday Inn Express recently. By the way, the people there know their principal by now, so the guy let me in with my card anyway.

[bgtg19]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Big jump there to call it discrimination.

The main point here, I think, is to forget jumping on your legal-rights-high-horse. This principal may be a jerk, but please don't waste the time and resources of the public (via the legal system) because you had to pay an entry fee to see your son play a basketball game.

[agmattbballref]

In reading the comments of this posts it makes me think of the scratch list system that is employed in varsity games in my association. Each coach can scratch up to three officials without reasons. In fact, in the 5 years I have been calling basketball in this area the only scratches that I have received are by coaches who I have never called any of their games. In fact, since the scratch lists does not apply to scrimmage games, I once called a scrimmage game for one of the coaches who I was told I was scratched by. After the game, the coach approached me and congratulated me for a well called game, and he was impressed by my game management and professionalism. He proceeded to ask me for my name and information so that he could put me on his preferred list of officials and possibly recommend me for playoff consideration. I informed him that I do not think I could be on both his preferred list as well as his scratch list. The look on his face was astonishment. He said "Why would I scratch you when I do not even know you?"....my point exactly. I am not sure, even today, how the scratch lists work, but my point is that are scratch lists not an example of the inmates running the asylum.

[Adam]

Some view scratch lists as a sort of compromise. It's a way of keeping conflicting personalities away from each other. Personally, I don't care for the idea, as it arbitrarily limits an official's options.

[agmattbballref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Some view scratch lists as a sort of compromise. It's a way of keeping conflicting personalities away from each other. Personally, I don't care for the idea, as it arbitrarily limits an official's options.

I would be interested to know that in your area if officials are given any reason at all that they are scratched or even if the coaches have to submit something in order to have an official scratched, or can the assignment secetary can just say that you are scratched, but yet have no evidennce at all that you are scratched. I am not even sure if I truly was ever scratched by some of the teams. I don't normally subscrube to conspiracy theories, but if it was true that you were never scratched could this be a way of keeping an official from calling certain games or teams....Just something I had been thinking....if I could put any credednce in what the coach told me...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by agmattbballref

I would be interested to know that in your area if officials are given any reason at all that they are scratched or even if the coaches have to submit something in order to have an official scratched, or can the assignment secetary can just say that you are scratched, but yet have no evidennce at all that you are scratched. I am not even sure if I truly was ever scratched by some of the teams. I don't normally subscrube to conspiracy theories, but if it was true that you were never scratched could this be a way of keeping an official from calling certain games or teams....Just something I had been thinking....if I could put any credednce in what the coach told me...

I don't even know if this area has such a list. I'm new here, and just getting started. I'm relatively certain my old association doesn't have such a list. I was just speaking philosophically.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bgtg19

The main point here, I think, is to forget jumping on your legal-rights-high-horse. This principal may be a jerk, but please don't waste the time and resources of the public (via the legal system) because you had to pay an entry fee to see your son play a basketball game.

Believe me, I am the last person to jump on a legal-rights, or any other kind of high horse. But I was not opposed to this guy's boss (the superintendent?)
knowing how he was conducting business. After casual inquiry, I was told by people who should know about such things not to bother, so I didn't even do that.