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Old Wed Dec 18, 2002, 11:31pm
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I've seen some talk about this and I was asked to be a third man last week because my director had an eye infection but still insisted on calling the game so they asked me to jump in at the last second as a third guy (I Love three man!) But he called the closely gaurded and I asked my partner for the next game who called basketbll back when it was the Southwest Officials Assc. (Its now TASO- I am in TEXAS!) So maybe some of you texas guys can explain this too me so I dont get blind sidded by a coach if he's riding me for the call.

In my head this is what I take it to be....
If a player picks up the dribble or has a guy 3-6 within range of him and he's dribbling with no forward progress start counting 1.... 2..... 3.... 4.... 5..... -at five call him for 5 seconds and reward the ball to the defense? OR is it when someones made him pick up the dribble and the guy cant get rid of it 5 seconds give ball back to the offense. I checked NCAA rulebook and it didnt make much sense so can somoen please fill me in. Thanks
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Old Thu Dec 19, 2002, 12:09am
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For NCAA:
Mens - Holding or dribbling front court only (forward progress has nothing to do with it)
womans- Holding only front or back court

NFHS- same as NCAA mens

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Old Thu Dec 19, 2002, 12:11am
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whats the call and penalty?

Who gets the ball - thats what i was getting at- what about on full court presses?
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Old Thu Dec 19, 2002, 12:17am
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On a full court press, you won't have a closely guarded count (in Men's NCAA/NF) because they don't start until the ball is in the frontcourt.

The 5 second closely-guarded call is always a violation on the offense. The defense will be awarded the ball OOB at the spot nearest where the ball was when the play was whistled dead.
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Old Thu Dec 19, 2002, 12:25am
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can you guys pull some stuff out of a casebook for me? AGH! Sucks being to young to join any groups or something to get one.
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Old Thu Dec 19, 2002, 12:28am
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Ace:

I read your profile and see that you are a young man who has many interests. Your gumption to be a basketball official is great. I strongly recommend that you find a positive, seasoned veteran who is willing to mentor you on the basics of basketball. Realistically, you should spend more time understanding the basics before you step into the role of an official.

To answer your question about closely guarded calls...

There are three phases that a violation can occur: (keep in mind that in all these situations the defender(s) maintains a guarding position of 6 ft or less.

1. Ballhandler is initially guarded by a defender (start the count.) If the defender(s) keep them "closely guarded" for a 5 second count you have a violation.
2. If at any time during the initial 5 second count the ballhandler starts a dribble start the second phase of 5 second counts when the ballhandler starts a dribble.
3. After the ballhandler picks up the dribble, start the last phase of the 5 second counts.

Ultimately, (as indicated on an earlier thread), the ballhandler can maintain a legal possession for 14.7 seconds without a violation.

Also keep in mind that you "reset" the count if the defender backs away from the 6-foot range, the ballhandler passes to a teammate, OR the ballhandler gets past the defender on a drive toward the basket.

An additional note: closely guarded situations can only happen in the FRONTCOURT.

I am sure other veterans here will have additional comments...
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Old Thu Dec 19, 2002, 01:35am
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Thank you
you are correct that I have many intrests. I understand basketball pretty well. There are just some things that even guys 2 times my age have problems with. I knew what the rule was about just wasnt sure on the technicalities of it but you cleared it up for me just fine. Thanks....

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Old Thu Dec 19, 2002, 08:56am
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ACE:

One of the best investments you can make is buying the rules book, case book, simplified & illustrated rules book, and Official's Manual. They would only cost a game or two in fees and then you have the accurate information at your disposal.
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One of the best investments you can make is buying the rules book, case book, simplified & illustrated rules book, and Official's Manual. They would only cost a game or two in fees and then you have the accurate information at your disposal.
Order them from the website. http://www.nfhs.org
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