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26 Year Gap Tue Apr 05, 2011 08:46am
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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 747045)
Did you take a time warp back to the 50's or something?
What's this "back" stuff?

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:33am
The points in the paint stats was bull****.

If you go back to about the 10:30 mark in the first half, Andrew Smith hit a turnaround jumper that put Butler's point total to 11. Clark Kellogg even noted at that time that it was an important development to get Butler on the board in the paint early in the game.

For them to later say that points in the paint was 18-0 was crap.

Bad Zebra Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:39am
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Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 747080)
The points in the paint stats was bull****.

If you go back to about the 10:30 mark in the first half, Andrew Smith hit a turnaround jumper that put Butler's point total to 11. Clark Kellogg even noted at that time that it was an important development to get Butler on the board in the paint early in the game.

For them to later say that points in the paint was 18-0 was crap.
18-0...18-2...whatever. Butler was dismal. Can't blame CBS or the talking heads. Maybe their stats were off, but there was no putting lipstck on that pig.

grunewar Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:00am
Amen brother!
 
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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 747082)
...there was no putting lipstck on that pig.
Think the women will shoot better tonight? ;)

APG Tue Apr 05, 2011 01:16pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 746936)
Wow...what a miserable game. Neither team should be awarded the trophy for that game. UConn was just less bad.

Did anyone see the blatant 2-hand shove foul with around 6 minutes remaining? Napier, IIRC, was going up for a loose ball (after Butler knocked away that ill-advised 35' bounce pass), Mack shoved Napier away from the ball and OOB on his back with 2-hands in his chest. You could then hear through the TV someone yelling WTF...pretty sure that would have been Napier. Shows was right there on the play and Cahill was the C-opposite. Surprising that neither got that. It was bad enough that I wouldn't have been surprised if an intentional foul had been called.

Aside from that, I thought they did a good job.
Here's the play in question:

<iframe title="YouTube video player" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/VPFMf3VVOuM?hd=1" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="390" width="640"></iframe>

rulesmaven Tue Apr 05, 2011 01:18pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 746936)
Did anyone see the blatant 2-hand shove foul with around 6 minutes remaining? Napier, IIRC, was going up for a loose ball (after Butler knocked away that ill-advised 35' bounce pass),
Here's the play -- sorry about the content of the web site surrounding it. I think that's Lamb, not Napier. Still, weird to take a pass there. He looks like he's looking right at it.

NCAA Championship Game 2011: Watch Horrible Non-Call in Ugly Title Game | Bleacher Report

APG Tue Apr 05, 2011 01:21pm
<iframe title="YouTube video player" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/U3weWo6QWbA?hd=1" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="390" width="640"></iframe>

Is this a RSBQ play that needs to be gotten...what about the contact by the dribbler at the end of the drive?

APG Tue Apr 05, 2011 01:29pm
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Originally Posted by rulesmaven (Post 747160)
Here's the play -- sorry about the content of the web site surrounding it. I think that's Lamb, not Napier. Still, weird to take a pass there. He looks like he's looking right at it.

NCAA Championship Game 2011: Watch Horrible Non-Call in Ugly Title Game | Bleacher Report
Only 2 minutes too slow

APG Tue Apr 05, 2011 01:34pm
Was to post this play:

<iframe title="YouTube video player" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/f-G8IoayUq4?hd=1" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="390" width="640"></iframe>

Camron Rust Tue Apr 05, 2011 02:02pm
RSBQ: That is usually called in most games. Not sure why it wasn't.

Incidental Contact: I don't really see anything other than an ugly play.

BBrules Tue Apr 05, 2011 02:32pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 747162)
<iframe title="YouTube video player" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/U3weWo6QWbA?hd=1" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="390" width="640"></iframe>

Is this a RSBQ play that needs to be gotten...what about the contact by the dribbler at the end of the drive?
No, the guy was trying to execute a tai otoshi. Oh, wait a minute, this is basketball, not judo. sorry.

JugglingReferee Tue Apr 05, 2011 02:38pm
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 747159)
Here's the play in question:
Foul?
Definitely a foul. Could lead to dirty play.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 747162)
RSBQ

Is this a RSBQ play that needs to be gotten...what about the contact by the dribbler at the end of the drive?
I think this one has to be called.

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 747165)
Incidental Contact Butler
Pass.

Raymond Tue Apr 05, 2011 03:37pm
Rsbq
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 747162)
YouTube - RSQB Play? Butler vs. UConn

Is this a RSBQ play that needs to be gotten...what about the contact by the dribbler at the end of the drive?
It appears Harris was about to put air in his whistle but then when A1 regain the ball and his footing he decided to pass on it. Me, I think would have had a foul for the trip even if I didn't have anything for the first bump.

Nothing at the end of the play.

Raymond Tue Apr 05, 2011 03:39pm
Incidental contact
 
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 747165)

From this angle you can't see if A1 pushed B1 or if B1 just stumbled on his own.

Nevadaref Tue Apr 05, 2011 05:57pm
I stated in the chat room last night that Butler need to shoot 38% from 3pt range in order to win. They were 9/33 = 27%. Had they made four of those 3pt shots which they missed they would have been 13/33 = 39% and scored 12 more points. Guess what? They lost by 12.

So I was darn close. They would have needed to shoot a bit over 39% and that would have only gotten them even, so they would have also needed to make one of the several FTs which they missed. Overall, not a bad prediction.


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