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Old Thu Dec 19, 2002, 12:31am
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Position on a Time-out

Here is something that the Oklahoma Association started this year. On a time out you place the ball where the throw in is at and each official goes to the top of the key. After the 45 second horn (or the 20 second on a 30 second time out) you alert the team in front of you first horn and then one official goes to the ball and the other goes to mid-court. How many states use this mechanic and how do you like it??

[Edited by okieofficial on Dec 18th, 2002 at 11:41 PM]
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Old Thu Dec 19, 2002, 12:38am
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Not in WI

Welcome to the forum Okie!

Two-whistle mechanics (in WI):

We just received a new directive from our state association (WIAA). The granting official reports the details to the table and then locates him/herself on the tableside of the intersection of the division line and the center restraining circle for a 30 second TO and the “backside” of the intersection of the division line and the center restraining circle for a 60 second TO.

The non-granting official positions him/herself at the spot of the throw-in.
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Old Thu Dec 19, 2002, 09:18am
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Originally posted by JRutledge


I still do not like this new mechanic. They put you right in front of the table, which in my opinion draws you in a confrontation with the coaches, which I thought they wanted us to avoid. In the 3 Person mechanic, they keep you away from the table. But then again, not a major issue for me, I hardly ever do a 2 person game.

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The official who will administer the throw-in is in the same spot whether it's a two-person or a three-person game.

If the throw-in will be right in front of the table, the official is a few steps on the floor facing the table.
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Old Thu Dec 19, 2002, 09:45am
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Re: Another

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Originally posted by JRutledge

I still do not like this new mechanic. They put you right in front of the table, which in my opinion draws you in a confrontation with the coaches, which I thought they wanted us to avoid. In the 3 Person mechanic, they keep you away from the table. But then again, not a major issue for me, I hardly ever do a 2 person game.

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I've never had a confrontation with the coaches in this situation. I've had them ask a question or smile and crack a joke, but never had a confrontation. Must be my great presence. :-)

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Old Fri Dec 20, 2002, 05:10am
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Welcome to the forum Okie!

Two-whistle mechanics (in WI):

We just received a new directive from our state association (WIAA). The granting official reports the details to the table and then locates him/herself on the tableside of the intersection of the division line and the center restraining circle for a 30 second TO and the “backside” of the intersection of the division line and the center restraining circle for a 60 second TO.

The non-granting official positions him/herself at the spot of the throw-in.
Yes, but does the granting official then return to administer the throw-in if he granted the time-out near the endline? If you do not return, you have just made a switch as if a foul had happened. The problem is that a foul didn't happen.
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Old Fri Dec 20, 2002, 11:43am
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Yes, but does the granting official then return to administer the throw-in if he granted the time-out near the endline? If you do not return, you have just made a switch as if a foul had happened. The problem is that a foul didn't happen.
Generally not.

There are two options (two-person): 1) Officials return to their prior spots (just as if a violation had occurred instead of a TO)

2) Calling official becomes off-ball; non-calling official administers the throw-in.

Neither is inherently "better"; the FED has chosen the former; many states / associations / officials choose the latter.
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Old Sat Dec 21, 2002, 01:27am
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Our association keeps changing what they want us to do. At least, I think they do. At least, every partner I have, wants to do it differently. At least, I think they do. Sheez, listen to me, stripes, I'm confused and I'm not even moving from state to state, or from ruling body to ruling body. My solution has been, ask my partner in pre-game waht to do, and then watch carefully during the game. When I'm not sure, I think of an important question to discuss at center circle. I'll see how this goes over in my evaluations!
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Old Mon Dec 23, 2002, 03:50pm
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The reason that you are positioned in front of the table during a :30 second timeout is to administer additional time-outs if requested. I guess they thought with such a short time out many coaches may want additional time. This has never happened in a game I've officiated or attended. I like the positions that they have adapted in Oklahoma. I also am not concerned about officials switching positions during a time out.
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