Discussion last night among some officials...
Some officials stated that they bounce pass the ball to all throw-ins except the endline in frontcourt.
They stated that "all three sides except endline frontcourt".
Some said they just bounce pass in the backcourt and when Lead on the frontcourt endline bouncing to player OOB on "their" side from the free throw line down.

Comments?

Dude

Both the NFHS and CCA (NCAA) manuals state that the bounce pass can be used on all sideline throw-ins and endline throw-ins in the backcourt.

If you're asking about 2-man...
 

See #220 in the Officials Manual on page 30 and what is written below diagrams 17 through 22 on pages 32-34.

[Edited by Nevadaref on Dec 15th, 2002 at 11:30 AM]

It might depend.......
 

on where you are and what NF Mechanics are followed. We were told by the IHSA not to bounce pass any throw-ins on the endline anymore. I guess they figured out that many officials were leaving the endline too early or just not doing it properly, so they changed it. I am sure there are other states or other jurisdictions that might have made similar changes. But then again, some think the entire world follows the NF Mechanics Manual to the letter. But according to the NF Mechanics, you can bounce the ball on all throw ins. But you might have to check that out with your local associations to confirm what is done in your neck of the woods.

Peace

I bounce on all three because I can get my angle to see the whole play before I even inbound the ball.

Re: It might depend.......
 

I this this is a very valid point, Jeff. How many times do you see the official stand 10 feet from the endline and bounce it back to the player? I personally think it looks sloppy and lazy. The NBA makes a big deal about officials staying OOB until the throw-in is released, during throwins on the endline in the backcourt.

Chuck

RookieDude,
I try to bounce both sidelines, and BC end line.
Sideline with pressure, I bounce so I may attain the angle.
Backcourt end line with pressure, I try to never bounce.
Never bounce on front court end line.
Also, I may hand the ball when the player is there and ready.
I do not toss/flip the ball in high school.

mick

<i>When I bounce a ball on the sideline, while I'm backing away and not wanting them to follow me, I say , "Yer good." (while I have a stop sign up).
About 1/2 the time the thrower-in will say, "Thank you."</i> :)

Very good points...thank you for your comments!

Dude

I'm w/ Mick.

I bounce on the endline in backcourt if no pressure while I give them the stop sign so we don't have the "Pied Piper" effect. I stand next to the thrower on the sideline and then back up right before I bounce it to them. This gives me a wider field of vision and they don't seem to follow me if I back up real quick right before I bounce it to them. I always hand the ball on throw-ins at the frountcourt endline per the NFHS official's manual.

Z

Awkward bounce
 

For some reason I find it awkward to bounce the ball on the endline in the backcourt. I've pretty much gone with a handing of the ball on that backline. I don't want to enter the court until the ball does, and handing the ball to the thrower-in assure that I will stay back.

However, I never hand the ball on the sidelines -- except when starting a quarter. I don't know why I make an exception for that particular throw-in, I just do.

This is one area where individuality is OK, as long as you don't bounce on the endline in the frontcourt.

Rich

Bounce on the sides and in the BC.

Hand in the FC on the endline.

We have some very tight sidelines where we also hand the ball.

It's amazing that they wouldn't allow us to bounce it for years.

I predict that we'll one day be able to report numbers with both hands. I do it now in AU games and it's so much simpler. Also, I think that stopping the clock for violations will eventually be eliminated as well.

Me, too.
 

Rich,
Could it be that there is seldom defensive pressure on a quarter-starting throw-in? ;)
mick

What's the secret?
 

Tony,
I have always wondered: <LI>Is it 51 or 15?<LI>Is it 35, 53 or 8?
What are the rules of "Thumb" for using both hands.

mick

I just thought of this....
 

....the other night. My partner bounced on the throw-in to start the quarter and I was thinking how silly it looked since there wasn't any pressure.

I base my bouncing decision on whether I think I need to be in a different place to supervise the players. If I like where handing the ball to the thrower-in puts me, I hand it.

Times change, though. Seems like just yesterday that the trail had to come in the lane to adminster ALL free throws.

What's next? Elimination of the bird dog? <grin>

Rich

You mean the signal, right, not the clock stoppage itself? :p

Also, I must admit, I've let 2 hand reports creep into my signals (probably because our numbers range from 00 to 99). It's tough to call 78 for one foul, get used to having both hands up, then call a foul on 32.

Re: I just thought of this....
 

Oops! Oh yeah, ... the bird dog.
I keep <i>forgetting</i> to that. ;)

To answer micks question

32 is 3 on the right hand and two on the left. ( that way when the scorer sees them, they read left to right.

When a number like 8 is used largest number is usually on the right hand so 8 and 53 look identical. Scorekeepers keep track of this pretty easily especially when you yell the number.

Re: What's the secret?
 

Right hand is 10s, left hand is ones. Try it in the miirror and you'll see what the scorer sees.

Yep! My bad!

Re: Re: What's the secret?
 

Actually, that won't work. The numbers will be backwards.

Rich

Re: I just thought of this....
 

You mean people still do that?!?! :D

Chuck

Well....
 

....it's a point of emphasis this year (using proper NFHS mechanics) so I've been trying. Really.

The one mechanic I do use that I know isn't in the book is on a player control foul. I do come up with the fist first (since going straight to the back of the head is asking for trouble if your partner comes up with a block), but then as I put my hand to the back of my head, I punch forward with my other hand.

This mechanic is actually recommended in the 2-man guidebook put out by Referee magazine, but is not a FED mechanic.

I completely blow it on the non-player control "offensive" fouls, where part of the signal for me includes the fist. I had a lob pass play this Saturday where the receiving player created separation with a nifty little push-off, and up I came with the fist. Bad Rich :-(

I'm trying to get out of the habit, but it's not as easy as it sounds :-)

Rich

Backcourt end line with pressure, I try to never bounce.

When the ball is being put inbounds in the backcourt, bouncing the ball gives you the ability to pickup players away from the ball. You get a better angle to get competitive matchups especially when there is full court pressure. Even though you have a partner(s) you still will be able to achieve a better angle to officiate.

I'm not understanding .... Rich, shouldn't all foul calls begin with the fist (signal #5) and then be followed with the appropriate foul signal (#'s 7 through 15).

On player control, showing direction with the left hand is very very common. I thought it was style points. I see the college officials doing it for nearly all offensive fouls - perhaps they have a different mechanic than NFHS?

Re: Well....
 

Rich,
I'm envious. I wish I had that incorrect mechanic down as well as you seem to have it.
I'm working on it.
mick

Tony....
 

....many officials do not come up with the fist first on player control fouls. They go straight to the back of the head or simply come up with a fist in the opposite direction (like they do on TV). That was my point.

Anyhow, how many people come up with a fist before calling a technical foul? That is also the "proper mechanic" according to the book.

Rich

Re: Tony....
 

I actually did that once . . . looked and felt like a complete moron.

Okay, okay - more moronic than usual!

Actually
 

I DO raise the fist first, pause briefly and then bring it down to the back of the head and punch the fist out with the other hand (usually a fist w/ L hand, punch with the R hand)

I find that this deliberate action allows me some addition time to process the play in my head....

Me too....
 

....but do you raise a fist on a technical foul? That's the question now :)

Rich
(Who did not raise his fist in calling a technical Friday night)

NO fist
 

A Tech gets an emphatic "over-the-head windmill" sweep....

I knew a guy once who used to....
 

....T coaches by putting a hand on top of his middle finger. Sigh.