Hello to everyone
My name is David and i'm from Israel
I was at last camp of Alan Richardson in England and i want to say that this camp is one of the best
I would like to know if there is campers in this forum

Interesting.
 

Romano,
Welcome to the forum.
Have you been to a lot of camps in different countries?

mick

Thank you Mick
i'm very happy to see that there is an official's forum because in israel there are only players forum's....
I'm officiating in the second devesion and i have been in a few camps in Israel but the camp in England was the best.
more than 30 refrees from all europe came and the instructors were from FIBA and from the EUROLEAGUE

Romano,
What are the characteristics of the second division?
How does it differ from the first division?
mick

<i>We don't discuss FIBA rules here very often, because, by and large, we don't have those books. But I am thinking that many of the rules are similar.</i>

At first you have to be very good.
secondly you must be at least 2-3 years in the second league because you must have a lot of experience before you rich the toop and to the highest level.
look mick i'm only 23 years old and i'm in the second league for 2 years so i have patience.we have to be also in good ghysical shape because we have to do 2 times a year the fiba physical test.
how is the progression in you'r country?

what do you think about the Europe basketball and the europe refeers?
what is the level of most of the refrees in this forum?

Quote by Mick :"We don't discuss FIBA rules here very often, because, by and large, we don't have those books. But I am thinking that many of the rules are similar."

Mick, many of the rules are similar. however, I referee FIBA rules (although they are somewhat modified in our area) and I am astonihed at all the differences between FIBA and NF (or NCAA) rules.

Let me mention a few: 1. 8 seconds to bring ball up to frontcourt. 2. 24 second shot clock (ball must hit the rim before the horn sounds) 3. Closely guarded rule, only when holding the ball, not on a dribble. Closely guarded rule is applied in frontcourt and backcourt. 4. For the ball to go from backcourt to frontcourt, only the ball or a part of the player needs to cross the centre line to have front court status. 5. No intentional foul exists (called unsportsmanlike foul)Penalty is two shots plus possession. 6. Penalty for Tech on a player: 1 free throw plus posession
7. Penalty for Tech on a coach (or bench): 2 free throws plus posssession.

The list is very long. There are obviously some discussions that are appropriate no matter the rules that we use. When people discuss game management on this board, it benefits all. When I see a post about false multiple fouls, I usually ignore those because there is no such thing in FIBA.

Happy Holidays.

So if A1 releases the shot, the horn sounds and the ball goes in the basket, you waive it off? Wow.

We usually talk about false double fouls, but that's not a big deal. But I'm curious, what is it called (if anything) when B1 fouls A1. Then while the official is reporting the foul, A3 curses at B1? How is that administered?

Just curious, thanks.

Chuck

Actually Chuck, I should have been more specific about the shot clock. When the horn sounds and the ball is in the air, the basket counts if the ball goes in, but it is a shot clock violation if the ball does not go in. On eof my least favorite FIBA rules.

As for the other situation. B1 fouls A1 and while the ref is reporting the foul, A3 curses at B1. In this case, the penalty for the first foul is administered (ex: 2 free throws) and then the technical foul on A3 is administered: 1 free throw and possession to Team B.
PS. If there were no free throws on the first foul, Team A would lose its right to possession of the ball as a result of the technical foul.

Another difference is that in FIBA, personal fouls can be called whether the ball is live or dead. One of my favorite FIBA rules.

nice one:
player b-4 standing in the three-point field goal area,accidentally he scores in the worng basket.
shall 3 points be credited to team A?think well....

Mick
i want to ask you something:
Are you refree in the NCAA or high school(or something else)?and what is minimum demands to officiat in this leagues?

minimum demands
 

Romano,
I am a high school official that works a few small college games.
In our state of Michigan, we are only required to, once, pass an open book test and to pay a yearly registration fee. Other state have more requirements in testing, evaluation and official' camp attendance.

In order to work small college, the minimum demand is that you are lucky enough to work your first game and that you are good enough to be asked to return.
With higher level college officiating, there are requirements of camp attendance, rules meetings and time.

Regardless of the minimum requirements, it is, in my mind, important to walk onto the floor with as much knowledge and presence as you are able to glean.

mick

Mick
how many games a week do you have?
and another question do you have any organization or association that responsible for this high-school league?
are you satisfied from the games?

Romano,
I work 2 or 3 games a week, and up to 6.
High Schools in the state of Michigan are governed by a state association. We have an officials' association that is inactive and that has no say as to which official goes to which games.
But, locally, we are in an archaic system in the Upper Peninsula. In Lower Michigan, the southern peninsula, is generally run more like the rest of the United States.

<i><u>Caution</u>: Do not judge how the game of basketball is run by my area, because my area is a little different from many other areas.</i>

mick

How old are the refrees in the high-school?
is there any good camps in you'r area?

David,
We have college-aged high school officials (20 years-old) up to, I think, 69 years-old.
My nearest camp is 450 miles away. Canada is much closer.
But, of course, Canada isn't that foreign, and not even that cold.
mick

mick
sometimes to be a small country it's very good thing....
the camp in israel is only 25 km' from my home.
so come to be refree in the holly land......

Only two points are awarded to the other team because this is not a legal shot attempt. Also, if the player is fouled and the team is not in the bonus no foul shouts will be attempted.

This the correct answer Shol.
and another one:
A-4 and B-4 are involved in a double foul.
A-4 foul is unsportmanlike.shall free throws be awarded for either foul?
p.s
Do you have unsportmanlike foul in rules book?

Romano.

In FIBA, no free throws on a double foul, even if one is unsportsmanlike.

Jay r
so what will you do in this situation?
i think that if you call one of the foul unsportmanlike this is no more double foul

P.S
this situation happned to me once...

Is this anything like football and both penalties offset so you ignore that one was unsportsmanlike and just report both fouls to the table?

Yes W.shol
becausa i reported to the table both foul as a one double foul.
in this situation i have nothing to do,don't you think?

i have just come back from my game in the national league
and i want to ask question about something that happend to me.
3 second before the end of 24 seconds device .when the ball was in the hands of player a4 i call for duoble dribbling but it was my mistake and it was legal dribbling so i whistle and said to evreone i'm sorry my mistake and gave the ball back to team a control.
the qestion is:
should i give to team a a new 24 seconds or to continue from where the game stooped and only 3 seconds.
i thing that i was mistaked because we continue the game with only 3 seconds on the 24 seconds device.
what will you do in this situation?

I don't know FIBA rules,but I think that you did the correct thing.As an official,you do not want to punish one team for your mistake,nor do you want to help the other team with the same mistake.If you put 24 seconds back on the clock,you are wrongfully helping the offense,while punishing the defense at the same time. In this case,you are just starting play over exactly where you stopped it, and neither team has gained an advantage because of it.

I think that you did the right thing!

This is straight out of the CABO (Canadian Association of Basketball Officials) case book for FIBA rules:

If one or both fouls of a double foul are unsportsmanlike, shall free throws be awarded? (Answer) No

Thank you Jay r
this is nice situation
Jurassic ref' what is the correct answer for my situation
from the book of rules?

ROMANO, I don't have a clue what the right call would be under FIBA rules. Maybe JayR or one of the other persons who use FIBA rules can answer that. Under NCAA rules, using an inadvertant whistle reference, I think that the way that you handled it is the correct way.

ARE the NCAA rules and the NBA rules similar?