Throw-In Location After a Time-Out
 

I worked a youth tournament today, where I had to bust a myth by the coach.

A-1 is dribbling in the backcourt unguarded. Coach A tells me that as soon as she crosses the division line, he wants a time-out. Odd request, I'm thinking. However, just before she crosses the line, she high-tails it to the basket, giving me no time to look back at the coach, and she draws a foul. The coach didn't want the time-out by then. So far, so good.

He later asks me that, in order get the throw-in at the divsion line after a time out, must his play cross the division line before the T-O request? Of course, I tell him "no," and explain the whole "closest spot" bit. It's pretty simple, really.

My question is this: Is there a rule set somewhere that could have contributed to this myth?

The NBA has some rules that a related to this. Not to say it is totally as he was expecting, but they have rules about what can happen when the ball crosses the division line.

Peace

I'm not sure what NBA rule you are referring to. Play resumes on the sideline where play was interrupted. This is pretty much just like in NFHS or NCAA except there will be no throw-ins on the endline in the NBA. If a player where to call timeout when they crossed halfcourt, the throw-in would be in the frontcourt and the offense would not be able to throw it into the backcourt (unless under two minutes in the 4th/OT). The only different rule as it relates to timeouts and ball location is the option to advance it (if the proper criteria is met) under two in the 4th and/or OT.

I believe at one time there were some rules that required the offense to get to the FC or they lost some privileges. I know now that if a timeout is called in the BC that they have to get the ball across within 8 seconds total (or get across before the 16 second mark on the shot clock). This was some time ago when this was the case, but I can ask someone and find out for sure. I just remember someone telling me there was a rule in the NBA that kind of reflects what this guy might be talking about. Then again I do not claim to be sure, just something I remember talking to someone about that I did not always realize.

Peace

Gotcha...you are correct that in the NBA, a team has eight seconds to get it across period unless a team is awarded a new count (T/personal foul on the defense, infection control, delay of game of the defense, kick/punch ball). I actually would like to see something similar to this in NCAA (no buying yourself outta a violation). But yeah, I would be interested in finding out if that was in fact true and what "privileges" a team would have lost.

Me too. If Team A calls a timeout they only get unexpired portion of backcourt count.

If defensive kicks the ball or causes ball to go OOB or creates a held ball then Team A would get unexpired portion of backcourt count or 5 seconds, whichever is more, but not the full 10.

Why? :confused: If a team chooses to burn a time-out, why shouldn't they be able to "buy" themselves a new 10-seconds, or 5-seconds on a throw-in? Team control has ended with the time-out, so how can they be in "continuous" control to continue the count from where it was before the time-out?

This is the same reason I disagree with the rule about not granting a time-out when an airborne player is heading out of bounds. If they want to burn a time-out to save a possession, why should it matter if they are airborne or not? It just makes no sense, and it's inconsistent with the rest of the rules.

Delayed lane violation...team calls a timeout. We come back from the timeout and STILL enforce the violation at least in NFHS. It's not unprecedented.

True, the only endline throwins in the league are after made baskets or if the ball goes out on the endline.

IDK why they (wreck coaches/players) think the advance throwin spot is midcourt, its the 28' line.

If it goes out of bounds on the baseline, hits a vertical support, after a made/awarded basket, or if there's a throw-in violation on a throw-in that was already on the baseline. ;)

And I doubt most coaches even know there's a 28' foot mark on the court much less know it's purpose (it's irreverent for the most part in NFHS).

Oh yeah throwins violations on the endline too! But I thought when the ball hit a support or goes over the backboard, it went sideout closest to where the ball was shot?

Midcourt/Forecourt "Dinosaur" Line ???
 

Fossils still exist. Good place to stand during pregame warmups.

You're thinking of when it hits a horizontal support. The vertical part is the base of the goal that is padded. You're right that it goes to the free throw line extended side out when it hits horizontal support or directly over the backboard.

Gotcha, thanks APG!

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Rule reference or mechanic reference? I've always treated this as if it went OOB behind the basket. The violation isn't where it was shot, and it's not on the sideline. It's the basket support itself and thus the throw-in spot is at either lane line on the end line.

Same as an offensive FT violation.

Nba

NBA rules my man! :D

Oh, well never mind. :D

For the same reason they don't get any more time on the shot clock after a time-out or why a kick ball under 15 seconds only resets the shot clock to 15.

I think the ability to call a time-out to avoid a 10 second backcourt violation is a huge advantage. Not only avoids the violation but also gives them another 10 seconds of game clock to get the ball across. At least I'm proposing they get 5 seconds if the count gets to 6,7,8, or 9. It's not like I'm saying they only should get 1 second after the timeout.

And before you go there it's not the same as avoiding a throw-in violation because when the throw-in resumes the clock will not be running.

That is because the violation has already occurred, not that it is maybe about to occur.

I think the NBA rule would be applicable if we had a shot clock. All this rule would do at the HS level is cause problems as the official would have to explain how much time is left on the 10 second count. I would not like that kind of rule at the HS level at all for this very reason. Maybe if there was a shot clock then we could have a reference point, but all it takes is a coach not being aware of the time and more issues over when it started or stopped would be at issue. Keep the rule the same.

Peace

Which was why I said at the NCAA level though I don't think it would be difficult to tell the coach, "You have X amount of seconds to get it across," at the NFHS level. I think this rule should definitely be implemented at the NCAA level.

Even at the NCAA level, the shot clock and the 10 second count are not always the same. The Shot Clock starts when it is legally touched and that does not automatically start the 10 second count. I am not sure what the NBA says and that might be easier to implement at that level. I would think this would be a bad rule at the NCAA level.

Peace

Oh you'd have to change some language to make the rule work at the NCAA level but I don't think it'd be too difficult to implement. I think we should reward the defense when they force a team to burn most of their allotted time to get it across rather than allow the offense to buy itself out of a violation here.

The NBA rule says a team can not be in continuous possession of the ball in the backcourt for 8 seconds. The count starts when the ball is legally touched inbounds. Team possession is defined as holding, dribbling or passing the ball and ends when the other team gains possession of the ball or a field goal attempt strikes the rim.

If they did change the rule it would not be the first time there is a rule I think is silly. But I would have to deal with it like I deal with those other rules.

Peace

+1

I'm not a fan of fixing things that aren't broken.