<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Geneva">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brian Watson:

What does Mr. T think???[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First of all, I love my new title.

As to when how to determine whether an act was "flagrant" or not, I'm going to use half a cop-out and say that part of it is just having a lot of experience and seeing a lot of bad behavior over the years. The more games you work, the more you have a feel for judging an act within the context of the season, game, league, level, etc. I don't think there's a clear-cut answer.

Now, having said that, the other half of the answer is that if you feel the act was intended to injure, or could, under normal circumstances cause injury, you have a pretty good reason to call it flagrant. How do you know what a player's intent is? Again, it comes with experience.

Of course, some acts are so obviously intended to injure that even a coach could figure it out. Throwing a ball - hard - at the back of an opponents head is so obvious that I bet even a giblet-head like Billy Packer could get this call right.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Geneva">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mark Padgett:
Throwing a ball - hard - at the back of an opponents head is so obvious that I bet even a giblet-head like Billy Packer could get this call right.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Methinks that Billy Packer would say something like "that's a travel!"

MOFFICIAL: Whenever there is a jump ball situation, you, and possibly even your partner, should blow your whistle, signal jump ball, and simultaneously, run towards the players involved and stand over them (if they are on the floor).

Talk to the players and remain at the spot until they have separated away from each other. If they are tustling for the ball, take it away from them.

At least one official should remain in a position to watch the other players for a possible dead ball foul.

This has helped me in the past on numerous occasions. You'd be surprised what your presence near the players does in situations such as these. GOOD LUCK!

Doghead, No chip here, just stating my opinion. Meant no disrespect to anyone.

bsilliman quote:
"Also, we do have big egos as officials and like to think that we are the best. When you stop doing so, then maybe it is time to take up another profession".

bsilliman...I don't mean to over-analyze your commentary however, I'm a first year official. So you're telling me that I need to develop a big ego in order to be an competent official, otherwise I need to think about doing something else with my time? Just wondering?

I have a situation that i was in recently involving throwing elbows. my partner ejected this player. is this considered flagrant or should that have been assessed as a technical.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Geneva">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bigman137:
I have a situation that i was in recently involving throwing elbows. my partner ejected this player. is this considered flagrant or should that have been assessed as a technical.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rule 10 Section 3 Article 8(g) "A player shall not swing his/her arm(s) or elbow(s) even though there is no contact with an opponent". Penalty is a technical foul; 2 free throws and the ball. If there is contact, same rule Article 9 addresses the ball being dead, "A player shall not intentionally or flagrantly contact an opponent when the ball is dead and such contact is not a personal foul." Rule 4 Section 19 Article 4 addresses flagrant fouls. A flagrant foul may be a personal or technical of a violent or savage nature, or a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct. If personal, it involves violent contact such as striking, kicking, kneeing, etc. If technical, it involves dead ball contact or non-contact at any time which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive conduct. Fighting is a flagrant foul."

That being said, it is a judgment call as to the severity of the contact that determines the penalty. If in the official's judgment the contact is severe enough, it's flagrant and the player's gone, 2 shots and the ball. If no contact and the elbow is swung excessively, technical. Hope this helps.