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Fri Dec 06, 2002, 11:56am
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Let her play. Participation is the key at this level. Common sense says alter the uniform number with tape.
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Fri Dec 06, 2002, 12:16pm
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You've got to be kidding me!
This situation definitely falls under the common sense interpretation of the rules. When you have duplicate numbers below the varsity level, the jerseys will usually be different shades of the color or have some distinguishing piping, etc. Any official that would contemplate a "T" for this situation needs to take a "time out". There are many J.V. games where some of the varsity subs are playing with varsity uniforms and the J.V. uniforms will be different. I have hasd as many as three duplicate numbers in the book. Common sense calls for them to be differentiated by varsity 23 and j.v. 23 when reporting a foul. This all comes under game management as officials. Through proper game management alot of things that make us look bad as officials can be avoided. In warmups and when you are checking the book, you can ask the coach if the two numbers will be playing at the same time. Alot of the time, they won't be. If they are, talk to the scorer and tell them what you will be distinguishing the players as. To not allow a player to play, when they are eligible, is a travesty of the game and a black eye to officiating.
I'm sorry I rambled on but this case really got to me. "Keep 'em straight up!"
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Fri Dec 06, 2002, 01:48pm
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I was working a tournament earlier this week, which was J.V. boys and J.V. girls (alternating games, seperate brackets). One of the boys only brought his road jersey, and was the only one on the team that did so. Because of this his entire team had to wear their road (red) shorts, and the coach made the offending player borrow a home jersey from one of the J.V. girls. These were the short girls jerseys with the little split at the bottom on the sides that are not made to be tucked in, plus it was in a size to fit a fifteen year-old girl. This caused a duplicate number, but I asked the coach, who said that the other player with that number was not likely to play, and, obviously, never at the same time. The other coach did not have a problem with this, especially since this was the 1-seed v. 8-seed game, but the real point here was that one of the starters, who played most of the game, had to wear this tiny, effeminite jersey. This was only by his own fault, which allows us all to laugh. I refrained from reporting fouls on "white, girls, five zero". I did notice a people taking pictures during the game, maybe he will make the yearbook.  It just goes to show, that when you assume, you have to wear a girls jersey.
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Fri Dec 06, 2002, 05:28pm
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Dwindling budget in youth sports is not uncommon in a lot of the country.....We talk a lot about preventative officiating.....Hmmmmm......what about preventative coaching, it seems several threads in the past week have dealt with more the Administrative side of the sport, ie. religous headware, cerebral palsy and a brace, duplicate numbers.....Many of these things could be taken care of either way before the games (as for letters from the state). Duplicate numbers....telling the official before game time so it can be discussed with both coaches.....Why is everything put on the officials calling the game....we are made out to be the bad guys or to remain politically correct Bad girls! A little preventative medicine all boths sides can go a long ways!
AK ref SE
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Fri Dec 06, 2002, 08:03pm
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Point to ponder
Andy Rooney-like...
"Have you ever noticed.... (pause for effect) that the active coaches in this forum are girls' coaches?"
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Sat Dec 07, 2002, 01:59am
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Sat Dec 07, 2002, 07:28am
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boys and girls
When I saw the PC terms of woman-to-woman defense and a coach yelling "get you girl" posted on this board, it made me harken back to my one and only coaching experience.
I was a 17 year-old HS kid and my little sister was playing in a girls summer league. They had just finished 8th grade and were entering HS in the fall. They lost their first game by 20+ and their coach yelled at them after the game and walked out with just under a minute to go in the game. The parents who were there were quite upset by this and unanimously decided they didn't want him as coach anymore. Call it a case of parental firing. So my dad volunteered to take over. Sadly, he didn't have a clue about basketball, so he naturally turned to me. Not being very sensitive to boys/girls issues at that age, I may have approached the situation incorrectly, but I decided to treat them as basketball players and not girls. We spent the first half-hour of the next practice just talking about who I was what I thought we should do to win. I said we would play like my high school BOYS team. Man-to-man D, press, run, foul hard, push people, grab jerseys here and there, etc. (I got ejected/DQ'd for fouls many times from HS games. Stunning that I am now an official isn't it?) I brought some of my friends to practice and we showed them how to box out, use a drop step, and play physically. Essentially, we took the ball made them hit and foul us to get it. I never used girls terms or treated them in any way differently than I would have a team of boys. Anyway the point is that the girls loved it. They didn't care that I told them to find their MAN after we scored, or that I diagrammed plays to get the ball to our post-MAN. They were competitive individuals who wanted to win. They were too young to care about political correctness. A few times after games I heard them proudly tell their friends from the other teams that the reason we beat them was that we run boys plays. My treatment of them had earned their respect and instilled some self-confidence and pride. So next time you are concerned about PC terms on a basketball court remember that those you are dealing with may not care, so why should you. Kids perceptions are often funny, quite possibly by changing BASKETBALL terms to make them appropriate for girls we may be sending negative messages these youngsters. They may perceive that because they are girls they can't play the same game, or that they aren't any good. While I don't expect many girls to beat boys in athletics, I see no reason to put this in their young heads. To conclude I'll just add a bit about how that season ended: After 8 weeks of these physical practices in which we spent time diving for loose balls, fouling instead of giving up easy lay-ups, and playing "hands-on" defense, we found ourselves at 10-2 and playing the same team they had gotten thumped by in week one, prompting their coach to exit, for the league title. It wasn't even close. This time we won by 20. I have never seen a group of young girls so excited. They really were jumping on top of each other and screaming. Of course at my age that made me just want to cover my ears and run away! The Friday we had a team pizza party and they gave me a little red plaque. The top line said "Hawks Coach" then it had my name under it and at the bottom was "You're the Best! Thanks for making us basketball players." I still have it. (So we might have more in common than just rules knowledge, HawksCoach!) Four years later, I came home from college for spring break and a couple of my buddies and I went to the HS state tournament. We sat in the first couple of rows and ate popcorn, hotdogs, and of course, booed the officials. After the 4A girls game we were sneaking out the players/coaches exit because it was much closer to where we had parked when three girls from the winning team came down the hallway towards us. One of them stunned me by remarking "Hey!" grabbing me in a big hug and planting kiss on my cheek. It turned out that they were three of the players I had on that summer team. Apparently, I hadn't changed much since they recognized me, but from 13-14 to 17-18 they sure had grown-up and I couldn't have picked them out of a line-up. They told me that they had "been really good" ever since I coached them and that they still ran some of "my plays" and had even convinced their HS coach to put the "fouling drill" into practices. I didn't know what to say other than congratulations as they were back-to-back state champs. If I were to coach again, I think I would do it the same way. Thanks to all who read this for letting me share.
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Sat Dec 07, 2002, 08:23am
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....what's happening to "MAN"kind these days?....
....we're all hu"MAN"s here.... Dude P.S. I had to go back in and edit my response...I had not yet read NevadaRef's story when I posted my silly "MAN" stuff. NR...I agree with mick, your story is one for the ages! Turn that story in to Hollywood...It would be right up there with "Hoosiers"...  Good job re-telling it! [Edited by RookieDude on Dec 7th, 2002 at 08:27 PM]
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