A1 saves the ball before going out of bounds himself. A1 comes back onto the court, and is the first person to touch the ball when he secures possession of it. I call a violation. My partner after the game asked me if A1 had re-established himself inbounds? I don't think it matters, he went out of bounds and was the first person to touch the ball again. Comments?

That's a good call . . . in football.

Seriously, what rule did he violate? He wasn't out of bounds when he touched the ball. It's *possible* that a play like this could be a double dribble (A1 had been dribbling and grabbed the ball to toss it back in and continued to dribble) or a travel (A1 had possesion on the ground, was falling OOB and jumped up and tossed the ball to the floor: travel b/c he began the dribble by lifting his pivot foot), but both are pretty unlikely. It's a good play by A1

Whistleblower,check out casebook play 7.1.1SitB&C. That should help you out.

Had It Happen To Me...
 

...during my first EVER game Saturday. Packed house for a JV game in Ohio. Working three man with two other guys (five and seven years experience), and had a guy do exactly the same thing happen right in front of me as center coming upcourt. Young man lost possession of the ball right in front of him, fell over with one hand out of bounds (while ball is on floor in bounds) got back up, re-established position, and was the first to touch the ball.

I allowed play to continue, but my partner with seven years experience (who was trail other side) tooted his whistle to say that he could not be the first to touch. I knew what the rule was, but passed (my mistake) on questioning him because he has seven years and I am first year. We talked about it after the game, and he agreed (a little too late) that he was wrong and I was right.

I guess my only mistake was not speaking up when I knew I was right instead of conceding to his experience.

Lesson learned. I'll know better next time.

John

No, it isn't.

In fact, in football, a player can jump from OOB and touch or gain control of the ball, and the ball is not OOB. "You are where you were, until you get where you're going" does not apply in high school football.

Re: Had It Happen To Me...
 

I think you handled it correctly, don't dispute your partner on the court. Talk about it after the game, as your did. good job.

lessons
 

In our group, we publish a short list
of Most Misunderstood Rules.

If a player's momentum takes him off the court,
he can be the first to touch the ball as long as
(1) he comes back inbounds at approximately the same spot,
and (2) he has SOMETHING IN and NOTHING OUT.

Bart,
I must disagree. JT should have brought his partner over and asked him what he saw. After getting his partner's explanation he would have KNOWN that his partner goofed the rule and JT should have then convinced him that since the play was right in front of him, he was giving the ball back to the proper team and would take the heat if he were incorrect.
Now I am not saying make a scene on the court, but also don't let someone overrule a play right in front of you that you saw clearly when you know they are wrong! I don't care how many years he has. Years and correctness don't automatically equate.

BskballRef, I would have to disagree
 

In the NFL if the player goes out or is forced OOB he is no longer eligible to catch a pass. Do not know what penalty is but he can't catch the ball if he has stepped out of bounds.

Re: BskballRef, I would have to disagree
 

Hmmm, Self, I'm no NFL ref, but I'm pretty sure that's not true. I think the penalty is for being the first to touch the ball after being OOB. He can catch the ball, or recover a fumble, as long as he's not the first one to make contact with the ball. I think. Come on, Tony.

Chuck

Straight from the NFL rule book
 

So Bskballref I I both were wrong...

9. If an eligible receiver goes out of bounds accidentally or is legally forced out by a defender and returns to first touch and catch a pass, the play is regarded as an incomplete pass. Loss of 5 yards.

Re: Straight from the NFL rule book
 

Oh, what do I know -- though it sounds like it is an NFL rule. I thought this was the Bball rule, and was told it was a rule people erroneously brought over from football. I learned this rule when I argued the wrong side of it in a dispute at the gym. Sad to say I won the argument . . . then I found the other board, and started to understand the rules . . . I've lost a lot of rules arguments since, but I haven't been wrong since . . .

Since when do we discuss NFL rules on this forum. Note that my post doesn't say anything about NFL rules. Under NFHS rules, it is not a foul for a player to touch the ball after being OOB.

Who gives a flip about what the NFL rule is? It's not football, it's entertainment, just like the NBA. :)

Football rules does not translate at all Tony here.
 

That is not true Tony. Under NFHS Football Rules, there are many situations that it is illegal to touch a ball or to participate if you touch the ball or if you make a tackle. It all depends on who does it and why they do it. It might not be an out of bounds violation (lack of a better term for this discussion), but it can be penalized on many levels. The question comes from football logic, but unfortunately football logic does not translate to basketball logic in this case. There is not the same distinction for player location in football as it is for basketball. Completely different issues.

Peace

This is only a violation in basketball if the ref takes his hat off and throws it on the spot where the player left the court. If you didn't bring your hat, it's not a violation.

http://www.stopstart.freeserve.co.uk/smilie/thumbs.gifGreat call, Coach!! Very funny!

Chuck

Hey, what kinda hat we talking about here? This aint one of them religious hats, is it??? Can't be wearing no d@mn religious hats on the court, not without...pause for effect...the special letter.

Murmur from the crowd: "Ooooh, the special letter!"

We coaches only allow refs to wear Mickey Mouse hats - gotta be in uniform if you're gonna be on the court.

Hey coach!

http://www.gifs.net/other/crit_suc.gif

:p

Yes, Jeffrey, it is true. We are not discussing many situations. We are discussing a situation where a player goes OOB and is the first to touch it when he returns inbounds. That is the ONLY situation that we are talking about in this thread. We are not talking about illegal participation, or illegal touching. We're simply talking about whether a player can be the first to touch the ball when he re-enters the field of play.

But since you're so knowledgable, why don't you share with the board all the times it is illegal for a football player to touch the ball? We're anxiously waiting! :)

He admitted he was wrong. STOP THE DAMN PRESS!!!!!
 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BktBallRef

Quote:

Yes, Jeffrey, it is true. We are not discussing many situations. We are discussing a situation where a player goes OOB and is the first to touch it when he returns inbounds. That is the ONLY situation that we are talking about in this thread. We are not talking about illegal participation, or illegal touching. We're simply talking about whether a player can be the first to touch the ball when he re-enters the field of play. But since you're so knowledgable, why don't you share with the board all the times it is illegal for a football player to touch the ball? We're anxiously waiting! :)

Tony,

The whole thread is based on a football rule that does not apply to basketball. I am just doing to you what you require of me, you were not entirely truthful. You admit it, life will go on. I will not go into rules that most would not even understand in the first place. They watch too much Sunday Football, so HS rules are really foreign. Most probably think you cannot touch a receiver after 5 yards.

Peace

True or false, Geoffrey? Under NFHS rules, a player that goes OOB can legally be the first player to touch the ball inbounds.

Feel free to look in your rule book if you need to.

Ooo!! Oooo! I know, I know!! Pick me, pick me!! Um, true? YES!!!

Oh, you guys are talking NFHS football? Well, how the @*(%&^$ would I know? Go Patriots!

Chuck

You did not ask the right question.
 

I have a better one. True or false, ask me do I care? ;)

Peace

You cared enough to stick your nose into it.
 

Since you didn't know the answer, I'll give it to you. The answer is true. Now we know why you hate tests, don't we? :)

This is one of the funniest threads I have ever read!

I'm more of a fan of the way some of you post messages than I've ever been.

Mike

I just like picking at you.
 

Never said I hated tests, I said they do not prove officiating ability. <b>YOU MY FRIEND ARE A LIAR!!!!!</b>

I always wanted to say that. ;)

Peace

I don't mean to pry, but you mean me, don't you? You know, it's the fans that make it all worthwhile. That's why I try to keep some real artistic integrity in my posts. I don't like to brag about it, but I've won a Slappy. I know! I couldn't believe it either, it was a total surprise. I was just like, "No way! Ohmygod!"

Oh, but enough about me. What do you think of my tagline?

Chuck

What do you think of my tagline? [/B][/QUOTE]
http://www.gifs.net/animate/bulldog56.gif

Hey, you're the wrong JR. I was talking to Juggling Ref, Mr. Smartypants. You obviously have no appreciation for finely-crafted, rambling posts!

Sorry,Chuck. This is from Juggling Ref:
http://www.gifs.net/animate/doghappy.gif

Signed: http://www.gifs.net/animate/ijugle.gif

Re: I just like picking at you.
 

Aha! You're a liar! I'm not your friend! :D

Re: Re: I just like picking at you.
 

That is the understatement of the year. ;)

Peace

Hey, Chuck, that tagline goes under the heading "Way too much information".

Where do you guys get all this stuff?

My brain!! My brain is excellent. My wife also thinks I have very nice eyes. Jeez, where is your mind!! :p

My brain!! My brain is excellent. My wife also thinks I have very nice eyes. Jeez, where is your mind!! :p [/B][/QUOTE]
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