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stiffler3492 Mon Mar 07, 2011 01:19pm

Modified Rules
 
I'm trying to come up with some modified rules for a basketball tournament at school.

What are some good rule modifications that you've seen used in summer leagues and/or rec leagues? I know for sure we'll be using a running clock.

JRutledge Mon Mar 07, 2011 01:28pm

It would depend on what you want to accomplish in the tournament. There are all kinds of rules that are modified from time to time. Giving points for fouls (bonus), shooting 1 for 2 points, stopping the clock in the last 2 minutes of a quarter. There are so many, it is really up to you and the level. Is the objective to play or is the objective to give some kids an opportunity to compete?

Peace

bainsey Mon Mar 07, 2011 01:31pm

Running time of 18-22 minutes (depending on the age level) per half, with stop time the last two minutes. Overtimes are five running minutes, with stop time the last two. All other NFHS rules apply.

Some younger tourneys (up to seventh grade) have limited press rules. Is this for kids of this age?

stiffler3492 Mon Mar 07, 2011 01:32pm

We're talking about a students vs staff thing. Students are college-age. It's both a chance to play, and some friendly competition.

jTheUmp Mon Mar 07, 2011 01:39pm

I summarized my local rec league's "No press" rule here. Seems to work pretty well in most situations.

+1 to running-clock-except-for-last-X-minutes rules.

Possibly a "no-foul-out" rule (that would include an extra penalty like an automatic 2 points to the opponent for each foul a player commits after the 5th one).

No overtime (for Padgett). Alternatively, a "2-minute overtime, if still tied, first point wins" overtime.

One rec tournament I worked did a "substitutions mandatory, and only at 15, 10, and 5-minute marks in the half" rule (running time). I didn't like that one, because they literally wanted us to enforce it at exactly the 15, 10, and 5-minute mark, no matter what was going on on the court. (I got yelled at by the tournament director because I let an uncontested breakway start at 15:01 and end at 14:58 without stopping for substitution). Stupid, stupid rule.

bainsey Mon Mar 07, 2011 01:41pm

Uh-oh. College intramural equivalent!

Twenty minute halves, running time. Stop time in the last minute. Loser buys the beer.

grunewar Mon Mar 07, 2011 02:14pm

I like what I'm reading
 
We also limit TO's to two x 30 seconds per half, per team and a three-minute half-time.

Get em to the line quickly, in and out of the huddles, and on and off the floor.

Keep the game moving.

stiffler3492 Mon Mar 07, 2011 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 737431)
Uh-oh. College intramural equivalent!

Twenty minute halves, running time. Stop time in the last minute. Loser buys the beer.

And the refs get free beer no matter what!

Freddy Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:51am

Idea
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 737420)
What are some good rule modifications that you've seen used in summer leagues and/or rec leagues?

Only players on the court can request a timeout.
Haven't seen it, but I'd be in favor of it.

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:00am

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 737677)
Only players on the court can request a timeout.
Haven't seen it, but I'd be in favor of it.

And fouling players need to raise their hand.

Freddy Tue Mar 08, 2011 02:24pm

The Way Back Machine
 
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 737682)
And fouling players need to raise their hand.

Unless they are one of the two rovers, the only players of the six who can play in both front- and backcourt.

stiffler3492 Tue Mar 08, 2011 03:42pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 737677)
Only players on the court can request a timeout.
Haven't seen it, but I'd be in favor of it.

Luckily, I don't think the teams will have coaches. This is going to be rather informal, but we're still looking to have at least a little bit of structure.

DesMoines Tue Mar 22, 2011 08:50am

All Star Game Modified Rules
 
I'm working (for a t-shirt) an all star game this weekend. Thought I'd share the "GAME RULES AND POLICIES FOR OFFICALS" [sic] that they distributed yesterday.

I thought #4 was interesting -- it's basically a penalty box. I wish if they were going to do it this way, they'd make them play a man down, like hockey.

The second half of #5 should generate some nice responses here...

Enjoy.

(1) All games shall be two 18 minute halves. Halftimes will be 5-7 minutes long.

(2) Coaches will have five 30 second times out per game.

(3) There will be no half/quarter court zone defenses. Teams may press full court (man or zone) but MUST fall back into a man defense in the half court.

(4) Players will be temporarily disqualified after 5 personal/technical fouls total. If all fouls are personal in ruling, the player will be eligible to return to action after setting out 50% of the time that was left on the clock at the time of their fifth aggregate foul.

If the five aggregate are reached in the first half of a game, the player in ineligible until the 9 minute mark of the second half. Succeeding fouls after that 9 minute re- entry will follow the “50% rule”. All Star Committee will keep track of foul out rule if a player fouls out of the game.

(5) High school rules will be used. Free throws will follow high school rules both shooting and rebounding. Don’t call games super tight but don’t let it get out of hand either. Be a little more lenient on coach’s bench rule.

(6) If a player has a break away with a dunk possibility let them go. Remind kids/coaches about this prior and during games.

(7) Overtime will be as follows: 1st OT 2 minutes, all others will be 1 minute in length.

(8) If you see kids at bench, waiting to get in, and we have a non scoring time stop the clock and get them in. Example: after made basket, walking ball up court, ect. If you see a chance to stop play to get a kid in without interrupting the flow of the game do it.

(9) Have fun and interact time with the kids. Help make this a good experience for all involved.

Welpe Tue Mar 22, 2011 09:50am

Add in the four point shot.

WreckRef Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:48am

Most common Men's league rules here:

NFHS with following exceptions:

20 or 25 minute running halves
3 full time outs
1-3 min. half time depending on if you are behind
FTs on the release
3 min OT, no extra TOs, no carry over
1 min for 2nd OT and beyond
No jewelery but can wear shorts with front (side) pockets, no rear pocket for some reason

doubleringer Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:26pm

There are a few tournaments around these parts where 1 unsporting T earns an ejection from the game, any other unsporting technical fouls on the player or coach in subsequent games earns an ejection from the tournament. I like working those. :D

Camron Rust Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:35pm

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Originally Posted by DesMoines (Post 742360)
(4) Players will be temporarily disqualified after 5 personal/technical fouls total. If all fouls are personal in ruling, the player will be eligible to return to action after setting out 50% of the time that was left on the clock at the time of their fifth aggregate foul.

If the five aggregate are reached in the first half of a game, the player in ineligible until the 9 minute mark of the second half. Succeeding fouls after that 9 minute re- entry will follow the “50% rule”. All Star Committee will keep track of foul out rule if a player fouls out of the game.

This basically means, as worded, that when they return and foul again, they must sit out another 50% of the time that was left on the clock at the time of their fifth aggregate foul..

And that will be until beyond the end of the 4th quarter....50% + 50% plus whatever time they were actually back in the game.

Of course, they may have intended to reset the 50% time to be 50% of time of the time remaining at current foul, but that is not what they said.

Adam Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:39pm

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Originally Posted by doubleringer (Post 742422)
There are a few tournaments around these parts where 1 unsporting T earns an ejection from the game, any other unsporting technical fouls on the player or coach in subsequent games earns an ejection from the tournament. I like working those. :D

That would go one of two ways.

1. The way it was intended.
2. Making officials reluctant to call that first T.

WreckRef Tue Mar 22, 2011 01:50pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 742424)
This basically means, as worded, that when they return and foul again, they must sit out another 50% of the time that was left on the clock at the time of their fifth aggregate foul..

And that will be until beyond the end of the 4th quarter....50% + 50% plus whatever time they were actually back in the game.

Of course, they may have intended to reset the 50% time to be 50% of time of the time remaining at current foul, but that is not what they said.

That seems to be way too much to deal with...

A couple more rules from men's leagues here:

After 5th personal foul, any foul committed by that player is treated as an intentional foul. (This is only for teams that start with 4 or 5 players.)

3 unsporting technicals on a team in 1 game = forfeit.

Adam Tue Mar 22, 2011 02:35pm

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Originally Posted by WreckRef (Post 742451)
3 unsporting technicals on a team in 1 game = forfeit.

Now this one, I like.

doubleringer Tue Mar 22, 2011 05:09pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 742426)
That would go one of two ways.

1. The way it was intended.
2. Making officials reluctant to call that first T.

I can tell you I am not reluctant to call assess the first T. I enforce sportsmanship like I would on any other night. Ususally after the first one, coaches and players figure it out.

Adam Tue Mar 22, 2011 05:14pm

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Originally Posted by doubleringer (Post 742544)
I can tell you I am not reluctant to call assess the first T. I enforce sportsmanship like I would on any other night. Ususally after the first one, coaches and players figure it out.

I know you well enough to know this is true, and I wouldn't either. Some would due to the increased penalty, just like the elbow violation was never called.

WreckRef Tue Mar 22, 2011 06:27pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 742549)
I know you well enough to know this is true, and I wouldn't either. Some would due to the increased penalty, just like the elbow violation was never called.

+1

How many of you called the excessive elbow swinging when it was T? Now how many of you have called it since it was changed to a violation?

I'm not saying it's wrong or right, I'm just saying that I'm guessing a lot more officials are inclined to call it since the penalty was changed.

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 22, 2011 07:25pm

The same would happen if they make delay in returning to the court after a throw-in a violation instead of a T.

Welpe Tue Mar 22, 2011 07:48pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 742601)
The same would happen if they make delay in returning to the court after a throw-in a violation instead of a T.

I haven't seen either happen yet in my short career. I'd call either if I did. :cool:

WreckRef Wed Mar 23, 2011 02:14am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 742610)
I haven't seen either happen yet in my short career. I'd call either if I did. :cool:

I've had it happen once in 12 years.

Middle school game, I'm the L on the end line. Kid inbounds the ball, pauses for 1 second then runs the entire length of the end line and enters the court at the 3 point line where he receives the ball. As soon as he touches I hit the whistle and call the T.

Coach was livid and I can only assume they drew the play up this way.

Coach refused to believe the penalty was a T and didn't want to let it go after the game.

chseagle Wed Mar 23, 2011 04:29am

why not just follow what the Harlem Globetrotters are doing?

4-pt. shot & penalty box

Only difference I would do is make any foul a penalty, & base the time in the penalty box on the severity of the foul.

This way there can be basketball power plays & penalty kills.

Adam Wed Mar 23, 2011 07:57am

Yeah, because what basketball needs is for us to make it more similar to a sport nobody watches.

stiffler3492 Wed Mar 23, 2011 08:05am

Hey I watch hockey

Welpe Wed Mar 23, 2011 08:13am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 742721)
Yeah, because what basketball needs is for us to make it more similar to a sport nobody watches.

Lacrosse?

chseagle Wed Mar 23, 2011 08:45am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 742721)
Yeah, because what basketball needs is for us to make it more similar to a sport nobody watches.

cricket, squash, dodgeball, polo, racquetball, archery.....

grunewar Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:41am

Eh?
 
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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 742730)
Hey I watch hockey

+1, and I know several Lard Ace Canucklehead's!

Now, take off!


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