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JRutledge Mon Mar 07, 2011 03:01pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 737447)
All OSU had to do was call a time-out for substitution purposes only. You are not required to used the entire T-O in NCAA ball.
They still have to use a timeout, but it is not a timeout like a normal timeout. But they still have to have one to accomplish this.

Peace

BktBallRef Mon Mar 07, 2011 03:01pm
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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 737450)
NFHS - I don't have my books handy. But, in HS, if one team is ready to go and the other not, don't you need to maintain the TO length. i.e. - you can't shorten a 60 sec TO to 40 secs unless both teams are ready, correct?

So, you're saying it's different in NCAA?
Yes. If the calling team chooses to use a TO to get a player into the game and then is ready to play, the timeout is over.

Adam Mon Mar 07, 2011 03:01pm
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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 737450)
NFHS - I don't have my books handy. But, in HS, if one team is ready to go and the other not, don't you need to maintain the TO length. i.e. - you can't shorten a 60 sec TO to 40 secs unless both teams are ready, correct?

So, you're saying it's different in NCAA?
You are correct for NFHS, I believe the calling team has the option to shorten it in NCAA.

Raymond Mon Mar 07, 2011 03:02pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 737452)
They still have to use a timeout, but it is not a timeout like a normal timeout. But they still have to have one to accomplish this.

Peace
They had a 30 point lead. Even if they had ZERO time-outs they could have called one, ate a Technical, and got their sub in the game.

JRutledge Mon Mar 07, 2011 03:04pm
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 737455)
They had a 30 point lead. Even if they had ZERO time-outs they could have called one, ate a Technical, and got their sub in the game.
Yes, that is true. Just wanted to make it clear they have to have a timeout to do this "legally."

Peace

Raymond Mon Mar 07, 2011 03:05pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 737454)
You are correct for NFHS, I believe the calling team has the option to shorten it in NCAA.
Under NCAA rules when the calling team breaks the huddle and I'm advising the other team it that the T-O is over.

bob jenkins Mon Mar 07, 2011 03:09pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 737450)
NFHS - I don't have my books handy. But, in HS, if one team is ready to go and the other not, don't you need to maintain the TO length. i.e. - you can't shorten a 60 sec TO to 40 secs unless both teams are ready, correct?

So, you're saying it's different in NCAA?
In NCAA, the calling team can shorten the TO, AND there's also a "TO for subs" that is basically zero seconds long. Subs at the table are brought in, the opposing team is allowed an opportunity to counter and the game resumes.

Raymond Mon Mar 07, 2011 03:10pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 737460)
In NCAA, the calling team can shorten the TO, AND there's also a "TO for subs" that is basically zero seconds long. Subs at the table are brought in, the opposing team is allowed an opportunity to counter and the game resumes.
It's the only time we allow coaches to make the travelling signal without get irritated with them.

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 08, 2011 09:48am
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 737399)
I also like the gesture. But why bother with the shoe tying thing?
Because he didn't have a belt to adjust.:D

just another ref Tue Mar 08, 2011 01:04pm
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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 737654)
Because he didn't have a belt to adjust.:D
With experience, that can be done without stopping.

NoFussRef Tue Mar 08, 2011 01:48pm
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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 737740)
With experience, that can be done without stopping.
Only if the buckle is large enough. :D

chseagle Tue Mar 08, 2011 02:39pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 737454)
You are correct for NFHS, I believe the calling team has the option to shorten it in NCAA.
I was told that for the TOs for the JUCO Tournament (uses NCAA Rules), that if the calling team breaks the huddle early, to buzz the horn & to give the other team the additional 15 seconds after the 1st horn to break the huddle before buzzing a 2nd time.

Adam Tue Mar 08, 2011 02:56pm
Well looky there, a rule difference that affects the timer.

M&M Guy Tue Mar 08, 2011 02:59pm
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Originally Posted by chseagle (Post 737776)
I was told that for the TOs for the JUCO Tournament (uses NCAA Rules), that if the calling team breaks the huddle early, to buzz the horn & to give the other team the additional 15 seconds after the 1st horn to break the huddle before buzzing a 2nd time.
That would not be correct.

Art. 14

Shortened timeouts:

a. The team that requests a timeout may shorten that timeout when the captain/head coach notifies the official of the team's intent. Exception: The first team-called timeout of the second half or extra period in a game involving elect ronic-media timeout format as in 5-13-10.d.

d. When a request has been made to shorten any timeout for a purpose other than for substitution(s), a warning horn shall be sounded immediately and 15 seconds later another signal shall be sounded to resume play.

In other words, the coach or captain has to notify the officials, and the officials will notify the table of the request to shorten the TO. Don't automatically assume the team wants a shortened TO and sound the horn early without notification. What if the coach doesn't have much to say, but wants his players to get the full time to catch their breath? Why would you take that away from them?

M&M Guy Tue Mar 08, 2011 03:02pm
Well, looky there, a rule that mentions a duty of the captain. ;) :D


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