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ODJ Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:57am

End of USF/Gonzaga TO
 
Scramble for ball with 10 secs. left in San Fran - Gonzaga WCC semi tonight.

USF (down 3 pts.) player recovers ball in front of USF bench. #13 USF calls for a time out. Granted by Trail. USF was out of time outs. Tech.

#13 was not in the game. He was on the bench. Jumped up in the excitement and called for the TO. Trail pointed at him and ID'd #13 as person who called the time out.

NCAA rules. Is this correct?

JRutledge Mon Mar 07, 2011 01:13am

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Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 737249)
Scramble for ball with 10 secs. left in San Fran - Gonzaga WCC semi tonight.

USF (down 3 pts.) player recovers ball in front of USF bench. #13 USF calls for a time out. Granted by Trail. USF was out of time outs. Tech.

#13 was not in the game. He was on the bench. Jumped up in the excitement and called for the TO. Trail pointed at him and ID'd #13 as person who called the time out.

The official pointed to the bench, not #13. That is what is customary when a player or coach requests a timeout. The player on the floor called a timeout, not anyone on the bench.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 737249)
NCAA rules. Is this correct?

Is what correct?

Peace

MrUmpire Mon Mar 07, 2011 01:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 737249)
Scramble for ball with 10 secs. left in San Fran - Gonzaga WCC semi tonight.

USF (down 3 pts.) player recovers ball in front of USF bench. #13 USF calls for a time out. Granted by Trail. USF was out of time outs. Tech.

#13 was not in the game. He was on the bench. Jumped up in the excitement and called for the TO. Trail pointed at him and ID'd #13 as person who called the time out.

NCAA rules. Is this correct?

Check the replay. A player on the floor also called time..then another player came running towards him yelling "No, No...."

just another ref Mon Mar 07, 2011 01:42am

#13 was in the game. He's the one who made the steal.

bob jenkins Mon Mar 07, 2011 09:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 737249)
Scramble for ball with 10 secs. left in San Fran - Gonzaga WCC semi tonight.

USF (down 3 pts.) player recovers ball in front of USF bench. #13 USF calls for a time out. Granted by Trail. USF was out of time outs. Tech.

#13 was not in the game. He was on the bench. Jumped up in the excitement and called for the TO. Trail pointed at him and ID'd #13 as person who called the time out.

NCAA rules. Is this correct?

Without regard to the accuracy of your description of the play, a TO should not be granted when bench personnel other than the head coach requests a TO.

grunewar Mon Mar 07, 2011 09:41am

Hypothetical.....
 
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 737328)
Without regard to the accuracy of your description of the play, a TO should not be granted when bench personnel other than the head coach requests a TO.

What if the official does blow the whistle and grant the TO. Inadvertent whislte, play on?

bob jenkins Mon Mar 07, 2011 09:45am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 737332)
What if the official does blow the whistle and grant the TO. Inadvertent whislte, play on?

Yes.

JRutledge Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 737328)
Without regard to the accuracy of your description of the play, a TO should not be granted when bench personnel other than the head coach requests a TO.

That should go without saying. And that is not what took place on this play.

Peace

ODJ Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:13am

#13 USF was a tall lanky kid (freshman) on the bench.
Trail pointed right at him - whether it was "at him" or just the direction. HC asked who called it, but didn't press the issue.
I didn't see a player on the floor call TO, but coulda been verbal in the scrum.

JRutledge Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:26am

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Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 737602)
#13 USF was a tall lanky kid (freshman) on the bench.
Trail pointed right at him - whether it was "at him" or just the direction. HC asked who called it, but didn't press the issue.
I didn't see a player on the floor call TO, but coulda been verbal in the scrum.

Again, the official did not point at the player, he pointed at the bench because the player with the ball called for a timeout. There were players on the bench asking for one, but that is not the reason he gave one as the player with the ball was yelling for a timeout. I think you are getting too caught up in the point as I said before it is common to point at the bench when a timeout is granted by an official.

Peace

Judtech Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:16am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 737603)
Again, the official did not point at the player, he pointed at the bench because the player with the ball called for a timeout. There were players on the bench asking for one, but that is not the reason he gave one as the player with the ball was yelling for a timeout. I think you are getting too caught up in the point as I said before it is common to point at the bench when a timeout is granted by an official.
Peace

+1
I mean how would it look if signaled at W30 calling a TO in front of BLUE's bench? I think the BLUE coach may have a slight coronary malfunction at that point!

Scrapper1 Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:33am

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Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 737249)
#13 was not in the game. He was on the bench. Jumped up in the excitement and called for the TO. Trail pointed at him and ID'd #13 as person who called the time out.

In that case, the T is for having 6 players participating? :D

MrUmpire Wed Mar 09, 2011 06:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ODJ (Post 737602)
#13 USF was a tall lanky kid (freshman) on the bench.
Trail pointed right at him - whether it was "at him" or just the direction. HC asked who called it, but didn't press the issue.
I didn't see a player on the floor call TO, but coulda been verbal in the scrum.

(Sigh)

Check the video. The kid your referrring to was #10, and yes he was was motioning for a time out while standing in front of the bench. HOWEVER, #13, on the floor with the ball yelled "time." Another player rushes in towards him, yelling , "No, No."

Watch as you see the coach ask: "who called time", and you will see the calling referee report #13 to the table, holding up one finger one hand and then three on the other.

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Jurassic Referee Wed Mar 09, 2011 07:35pm

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Originally Posted by MrUmpire (Post 738290)
(Sigh)

Check the video. The kid your referrring to was #10, and yes he was was motioning for a time out while standing in front of the bench. HOWEVER, #13, on the floor with the ball yelled "time." Another player rushes in towards him, yelling , "No, No."

Watch as you see the coach ask: "who called time", and you will see the calling referee report #13 to the table, holding up one finger one hand and then three on the other.

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+1

Obvious as hell on the replay......


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