Hey NCAAM fashion police
 

Are shooting sleeves allowed in NCAAM? I'm guessing yes, because two USF players are wearing them in their game tonight against Gonzaga. The USF uniforms are yellow (or gold - hard to tell the difference) and green while the sleeves are black. Also - one of those players looks like he has a sleeve on one of his legs, too. Kind of weird.

They are allowed.

What is NOT allowed, however, and I am beginning to see all over the place is a manufacturer's logo on the game jersey. Lots of D1 schools doing it now. Not sure why it's been allowed.

I don't have my books with me, but I thought it was allowed on the jersey in NCAA (not in FED)

Well, Bob, you planted a whole lotta doubt in my mind, so I had to dig out the rulebook and look it up. After reading your post, I thought maybe the restriction only applied to the new "neutral zone" (which includes the team name and player's number). But here is the relevant citation:

NCAA 3-8-1: "A visible manufacturer's or distributor's label or trademark is not permitted on the game jersey or undershirt".

Well eff me.

Like you, then, I don't know why it's being allowed.

I apologize for any confusion.

1) My post was not intended as an "Eff you". I apologize if it came across as snide or condescending.
2) In this case, any confusion was actually good, because it made me dig it out of the rulebook.

What is the penalty for violating 3-8-1? I looked under rule 10 and it only refers to an illegal jersey as defined in 3-5. (10-2-3c)

What's up with all this nicety?

What happened to the goold ole days of "Shut Up!!!"?

Scwappy was never a shut up-er. He was always a shut up-ee.

No, it didn't. My remark was directed at me. I was "sure" that it was allowed.


Ditto

NCAA bylaws allow the logo while the basketball rules do not. The bylaws take precedence over the playing rules of individual sports.

I find this really hard to believe. Any chance you've documentation of the bylaws?

Along with documentation that they take precedence.

Along with any evidence you are not related to Old School?

Why is this hard to believe? You know the basketball rules don't allow the logos but lots of teams have them. Obviously there is some other reason that all these teams are wearing logos.


Wearing Apparel Items that Display Logos During Competition. A student-athlete representing
an institution in intercollegiate competition is limited to wearing apparel items that include only the
logo (not to exceed 2 1/4 square inches) of an apparel manufacturer or distributor. The studentathlete
may not wear any apparel (e.g., hat, visor, shirt, pennies) that identifies any entity other than
the student-athlete's institution and the apparel manufacturer or distributor.

https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=...Nl&hl=en&pli=1
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1344/...25b04a50_o.png

It's hard to believe (for me) because I can't see the NCAA allowing one of its rule-making bodies to enact a rule that contradicts an NCAA by-law. Kind of like allowing a state to enact a law that contradicts the US Constitution.


Thanks for posting this, but it doesn't say that a player can wear a manufacturer's logo on his/her jersey. It only says that IF a player is legally wearing a logo, it must be the logo of the item's manufacturer or distributor. In other words, a golfer may wear a hat with the Nike swoosh on it, but may not wear a patch for Hooters, for example.

So I am still left wondering why no one has made a stink about the logos.

Did you look at the links Cobra posted?

The NCAA cut a deal with manufacturers that allows this. The memo from the NCAA is clear: if the manufacturer gets the NCAA approval on their shirts, then they can put their logo on them.

This is the official word from the NCAA:

For the 2010-11 season, this program is voluntary. Participation in the program, however, allows the manufacturer to place its logo on the game jersey, which is not currently allowed by NCAA playing rules. The program becomes mandatory for Division I in the 2011-12 season and for Divisions II and III in the 2013-14 season.

I did not. Thanks for posting it. I was going only by his comments in the post.

So I guess this means that when "participation" becomes mandatory, the rule regarding the logos on jerseys will simply be deleted?

The NCAA is surely getting a fee from manufacturers' for this approval process. It is all about the money. The "voluntary" nature simply allows the NCAA to get its money a year early -- as long as universities go with the new jerseys.

NCAA rules are updated every two years -- and this is the year for the update. I would expect the new rules book will show this change.