Nasty ending to St. John's at Seton Hall

[youngref33]

Read Lavins lips on the second technical, he is saying:
"you suck, you suck, you piece of sh*t."


For the flagrant foul, I think Cahill was just gonna go with the intentional till the St. John player starting taunting the Seton Hall player and just upgraded to a flagrant instead of a intentional and technical.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And the player was not going in for a "show off" dunk. He was just going to lay the ball in.

Your guess is as good as mine. I thought the player was going to celebrate the win by slamming it home and the St. John's player wasn't going to allow that.

Originally Posted by youngref33

For the flagrant foul, I think Cahill was just gonna go with the intentional till the St. John player starting taunting the Seton Hall player and just upgraded to a flagrant instead of a intentional and technical.

I don't see any taunting. He simply stands still. Perhaps verbal. I can't tell. I believe that Cahill tossed him for the foul, not anything else.

[youngref33]

[QUOTE= I don't see any taunting. He simply stands still. Perhaps verbal. I can't tell. I believe that Cahill tossed him for the foul, not anything else.[/QUOTE]

My opinion he stands over him and stares him down.
Just my observation.

[JugglingReferee]

The red player didn't take any steps (maaaaybe half-a-step) beyond what was necessary to stop after making illegal contact. He did have a half-assed arm movement towards the white player, but I do believe that he said something.

I bet that if red "stopped on a dime" (an untypical act) and didn't say anything to white, red may have received just an INT.

The DQ is a good call as far as I am concerned.

[APG]

I'm okay with the officials not issuing T's with the action that preceded the flagrant. I just thought the Seton Hall player was off balance and held on to the ball. I didn't think he was continuing play and throwing the St. Johns player to the ground. Of course St. Johns probably didn't see it that way.

I also think the flagrant was a result of being frustrated and thinking the Seton Hall player was showing up their team with the attempt that the end. It's customary and good sportsmanship to not shoot the ball when you're up and the shot clock is off. There was no need for that last attempt but that does not excuse the foul.

BTW, I more than likely would have had a flagrant foul just for the action itself. I don't believe the St. Johns player stood over the player and stared him down. There was a good 3 feet between the player on the ground and the fouler.

[bbcof83]

Originally Posted by youngref33

My opinion he stands over him and stares him down.
Just my observation.

+1, he definitely was taunting.