Nice Ending
 

YouTube - Concordia University Portland 2011 Cascade Collegiate Conference women's basketball tourney champs

This was an NAIA Conference Championship game...both teams end up going to the National Tournament, so the win was for seeding purposes.

What do we think? I know the ball was out of her hand according to the LED light, but is this a case of some interesting timing?

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And that clock definitively started late. No way she can throw the ball off an opponent, catch and shoot like she did within .7 seconds.

If you try to pause it a few times, the girl catches the ball with .7 still showing on the clock, it hadnt started yet. The ball reaches the halfway point to the basket with .1 showing

Yes, the clock started a little late. It doesn't move until the thrower catches the ball, when it should start upon contacting the opponent's back. However, the timer did a decent job as he actually starts the clock prior to the Trial chopping. The Trail doesn't attempt to chop when the ball is thrown into the opponent.

I'd say the timing error is at most 0.2 seconds. That would have made the validity of the try extremely close to call.

BTW is that one of the game officials at the table picking up her jacket following the ending or perhaps she was an alternate official sitting at the scorer's table.

I used my stop watch repeatedly and consistently got a reading of 0.90 - 0.95 seconds from touching B's back to A releasing. I bet PTS would have been better.

At first it looked like one official is mirroring the L. Then I see that the L is showing his 5 count, and the official in the foreground has the chop. I don't know if it is possible or not for a player to bounce it off defender, get inbound, and shoot in .7secs.

What I do know is that the official was a lil slow on his chop, and then the clock was a lil slow getting started. I am wondering if it happened so quickly he didn't realize what the in-bounder had done. Either way, the shot was released before the horn/light and they ruled it a good basket. Definitely an interesting ending.

I would guess closer to .3. Even if we go with .2, that leaves .5 left on the clock, and IMO she wouldn't have gotten it off in time. She shoots a regular jump shot and with .5 seconds left, there simply isn't time to do that...not with her jump shot.

Conference playoffs, so that was an alternate official.

Wow!
 

Well, Ive looked at it repeatedly and i say count it. its not but .1 second off from when it touched the girls back to when the clock starts. Human error/Reaction time is all part of basketball. Nice shot btw.

I have never seen a stand by/alternate official at the table without their CCA jacket on...strange.

The trail is late chopping the clock in...and it is a very lazy chop...the leads chop is also lazy...this is the time when we need really crisp and clean mechanics.

I'm not familiar with 3-man. Is the trail supposed to be mirroring the lead's chop? The lead is counting with his left hand and his right is at his side. He then moves out of the camera range or is partially blocked from view so I can't see if he does a chop with his left hand, too. I don't see him do one with his right. As you say, the clock started before the trail does his.

So are you (and everyone else here) telling me that a throw in off the defender's back would be so expected that your chop would be right on that touch? I'd be fooling myself if I was confident I'd get that right on time.

Of course, the trail has the last second shot, so maybe as the T I would've been in tune better on that.

Either way, it was a great play by the thrower-in. We had one of these happen a few nights ago. I was the C opposite and I wasn't entirely sure the thrower-in established herself on the floor before retrieving the ball, but that wasn't my call to make (and I wasn't really looking there, either).

Rocky (or someone else who knows), in the woman's game does the C have the clock in this situation? I'm asking because the L nodding his head caught my attention. Although this isn't the case, what if the C is saying the basket isn't good?

The last time I checked, it's always the T, regardless of the tableside, in MCAAW mechanics. If they've changed that, someone will be along to tell me I'm full of it.

These are both women's college mechanics. First, in 3-person the T mirrors the L's chop on all endline throw-ins in the front court (actually, this is the same in NFHS as well). For the L, in NFHS, you hold up one hand to get ready to chop in time, while showing the count with the other hand. In women's college, you count and chop with the same hand. This is definitely only a college mechanic.

I'm pretty sure for NCAA-W the C has primary responsibility for last-second shots. For NCAA-M is T or C opposite table.

You're full of it. :)

NCAAW has had the C take the last-second shot for quite a while now, regardless of tableside. I believe the theory is since L and T are (usually) on-ball, the C has a (slightly) better opportunity to be able to be aware of both the clock and the shot.

I did type MCAA-W mechanics. :D

Sorry, you're right. I went to my old NCAAW manual and there it was right in front of me. Matter of fact when I worked my one and only NCAAW game this season, we did exactly that.

Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.

rocky - I'm assuming this game was not a media game? If it was, could the officials go to the monitor with a stopwatch to determine first, if there was timing error, then second, if the shot did indeed get released before the .7-second mark?

So, you're a Nissan fan? :confused:

And, it just goes to show we all make mistakes - I completely missed your MCAA-W reference, otherwise I would've pointed that out too. :D

Hmmm -- I thought the theory was that if the ball changes direction in the last few seconds, it's still the same person taking the call.

Of course. That's why I included the (usually) and (slightly) references. If the C has given the "lock-down" signal, and the L has to rotate over because of player and ball action, it's still that old C's call.

I'm talking about your general, garden-variety last-second shot situations. :)

They did not have a monitor to go to...if there had been one, they could have gone and reviewed it. As for the L and T nodding their heads, according to them the C signalled the basket good immediately and they were simply nodding that they agreed with each other. I think there is another camera angle out there that shows that - it was on ESPN the other night.

On a separate note, anyone notice the shot clock location?

They just moved the clocks in that gym this year from the wall to the top of the backboard as is now required by the NCAA. However, the problem is that the mounting location they chose puts the clock right at the top edge of the backboard and is only offset by the thickness of the board....almost flush with the board.

I had a game there early this year where we had two situations where the ball was in that vicinity and you simply couldn't tell for sure if the ball hit just above the edge on the clock or just below or on the edge on the board. I was the T on one and neither the C or I could tell. On the other situation, I was the L and neither the C or the T could tell. You almost need to be directly beside the basket to tell how high/low the ball hit when in the area of the clock.

Who cares what the mechanics are in Mexico?