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billyu2 Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:32pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 736384)
While it may be how they want you to enforce it; it's definitely not part of the rule. Perhaps some of our other Ohio members could verify whether that's the official position of the OHSAA or if it's the opinion of the person who taught your class. Could be either.

Again, however, the rule itself does not say it.
Most likely the opinion of the instructor. Cannot recall anyone at our state rules interpreter's meetings saying this is an advantage/disadvantage call.

Adam Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:45pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 736399)
Three seconds? Ten seconds to shoot a free throw?

"It is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may
be intelligently applied in each play situation. A player or a team should not be
permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. Neither should play be
permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not
intended by a rule."

Are there some rules that don't involve fouls?
Billy, the traveling rule (and the 3 and 10 second rules you note) do not require advantage; by rule.

3 seconds typically requires either advantage or excess, and the 10 second FT rule typically requires even more excess. Even then, it's not how they were written; it's how they are expected.

Traveling, however, as far as I know, is not now (nor has it been) expected to be called only when an advantage is involved.

mbyron Fri Mar 04, 2011 09:32am
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 736384)
While it may be how they want you to enforce it; it's definitely not part of the rule. Perhaps some of our other Ohio members could verify whether that's the official position of the OHSAA or if it's the opinion of the person who taught your class. Could be either.
I'm sure it's NOT the official OHSAA position, and I'm skeptical that an instructor would have said that.

refiator Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:29am
Momentum cannot constitute a travel no matter how far a player slides with the ball. IT only becomes a travel when he/she rolls over.

Camron Rust Sun Mar 06, 2011 04:56am
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Originally Posted by refiator (Post 736927)
Momentum cannot constitute a travel no matter how far a player slides with the ball. IT only becomes a travel when he/she rolls over.
And even that is not if it is also part of the momentum of diving for the ball. The roll becomes a travel when it is no longer part of momentum.

refiator Sun Mar 06, 2011 09:11pm
Yes. Thanks for clarifying.

BktBallRef Sun Mar 06, 2011 09:52pm
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 736066)
I would not characterize what the player did in your situation as "rolling over." One could just as easily call it turning to his side.
That's about as stupid as saying he didn't step with his foot, he just lifted it and put it down somewhere else. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...s/banghead.gif

Jurassic Referee Mon Mar 07, 2011 06:52am
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 737210)
That's about as stupid as saying he didn't step with his foot, he just lifted it and put it down somewhere else.
And I think your stance is stupid and that you have NO rules backing to say Nevada was wrong.

Same old, same old. Shrug.


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