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notredame_999 Sun Feb 20, 2011 08:58pm

Assistants yelling, standing up
 
I officiate a middle school league on saturdays that uses high school rules. An assistant stood up and yelled at me I told him as an assistant he needed to sit down, and for the remainder of the game only the head coach will address me. I told him this is high school rules. To be honest though, I don't really know the high school rule regarding assistants. I know they are required to sit down, but are they allowed to yell at the officials during the game (not a timeout)? Are they allowed to call out plays and instructions to a team on the court during play?

I just can't find this in the rule book. I'm a young offcial so any help would be appreciated.

grunewar Sun Feb 20, 2011 09:03pm

Yelled at you? Whack!

He can chat a bit, yell plays, talk to the players - don't care.

But, yell at you? No way!

JugglingReferee Sun Feb 20, 2011 09:06pm

Technical foul.

stiffler3492 Sun Feb 20, 2011 09:08pm

Welcome to the forum. Do not be afraid to ask questions, that's how we get better.

You are correct that assistants shouldn't be speaking to officials about calls during the game. The few times I've had to handle this, I've just asked the head coach to make sure that he/she is the ONLY one speaking with me and my partner about calls. That usually gets the message across.

You are also correct that only the head coach is allowed to stand within the coaches box, assuming your state has adopted that rule. Should the Head Coach get a technical foul, direct or indirect, he/she loses the coach's box privilege.

Mark Padgett Sun Feb 20, 2011 09:16pm

Rule 11.3.7 - "Any assistant coach who yells at an official is to be smacked upside the head with a frying pan."

I think you can get them at Honigs. :cool:

stiffler3492 Sun Feb 20, 2011 09:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 732340)
Rule 11.3.7 - "Any assistant coach who yells at an official is to be smacked upside the head with a frying pan."

I think you can get them at Honigs. :cool:

I love Rule 11

Bad Zebra Sun Feb 20, 2011 09:41pm

1. Ignore said Asst. the first time you notice him standing/yelling.
2. Address coach calmly and directly: "Coach, please control your bench".
3. Next time you see asst. standing or addressing you..."T" will be served.

bainsey Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 732345)
2. Address coach calmly and directly: "Coach, please control your bench".

For clarity, ND, BZ means addressing the HEAD coach. The head coach is ultimately responsible for his/her bench's conduct.

As for rule references, look at NFHS 10-4-4 and 10-5-1.

ThatOneRef Mon Feb 21, 2011 01:52am

Yuppers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 732345)
1. Ignore said Asst. the first time you notice him standing/yelling.
2. Address coach calmly and directly: "Coach, please control your bench".
3. Next time you see asst. standing or addressing you..."T" will be served.

In a middle school game id probably do this exact thing. But in a high school, that's an immediate T. They know better.

APG Mon Feb 21, 2011 01:58am

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Originally Posted by ThatOneRef (Post 732400)
In a middle school game id probably do this exact thing. But in a high school, that's an immediate T. They know better.

If the assistant coaches haven't crossed the line yet, I always give the coach an opportunity to control his bench.

Freddy Mon Feb 21, 2011 06:30am

Discretion, the Better Part of Valor
 
When the assistant coach gets chippy, I always want to quote the contributor to this board who said he once said to the coach, "Coach, I'll listen to the organ grinder but not the monkey."
I don't have the guts.

bob jenkins Mon Feb 21, 2011 08:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatOneRef (Post 732400)
In a middle school game id probably do this exact thing. But in a high school, that's an immediate T. They know better.

OOO, imo.

Rich Mon Feb 21, 2011 08:40am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 732457)
OOO, imo.

Really? An assistant in a HS varsity game stands up and yells at the officials and we're likely shooting free throws.

I agree with the new guy -- they should know better.

Adam Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:42am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 732403)
If the assistant coaches haven't crossed the line yet, I always give the coach an opportunity to control his bench.

Agreed, but standing and yelling at me is already across the line. Easy T for this.
Standind coaching; I'll ignore it the first time. sometimes it corrects itself.
Second time, I'll remind the HC that he's the only one with the ability to stand.

After that....

26 Year Gap Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 732457)
OOO, imo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 732459)
Really? An assistant in a HS varsity game stands up and yells at the officials and we're likely shooting free throws.

I agree with the new guy -- they should know better.

Bob may have just had the 'auto response' click in.

Adam Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:36am

I think there's confusion on who the assistants are talking to. I can't imagine BZ would ignore an assistant yelling at the officials (standing or sitting), and I guess bob was thinking therefore that he was assuming the assistants were yelling at the players; in which case an immediate T would be something That Guy would do.

JRutledge Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:38am

I would address it, but I would doubt I would give a T the first time it happened. Just like I address a lot of things before I give a T.

Peace

Judtech Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 732382)
For clarity, ND, BZ means addressing the HEAD coach. The head coach is ultimately responsible for his/her bench's conduct.

As for rule references, look at NFHS 10-4-4 and 10-5-1.

Yeah, NEVER address the assistant coach. I'm just sayin......:D
When dealing with the bench always address the head coach and make it their responsibility.
The rules for Ast Coaches standing are the same for the players.
Some officials are ok with Ast Coaches standing and coaching their team or talking to an individual player. Some are not. We each have our own threshold for what we allow and what we don't. I think we all can agree that any Ast Coach standing and yelling at officials is over the line.

JRutledge Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 732507)
Yeah, NEVER address the assistant coach. I'm just sayin......:D
When dealing with the bench always address the head coach and make it their responsibility.
The rules for Ast Coaches standing are the same for the players.
Some officials are ok with Ast Coaches standing and coaching their team or talking to an individual player. Some are not. We each have our own threshold for what we allow and what we don't. I think we all can agree that any Ast Coach standing and yelling at officials is over the line.

I disagree. I address the assistant a lot when needed. I just make sure I say this where the head coach is aware. But they are adults too. I just give them a much shorter rope.

Peace

dsqrddgd909 Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judtech (Post 732507)
Yeah, NEVER address the assistant coach. I'm just sayin......:D
When dealing with the bench always address the head coach and make it their responsibility.
The rules for Ast Coaches standing are the same for the players.
Some officials are ok with Ast Coaches standing and coaching their team or talking to an individual player. Some are not. We each have our own threshold for what we allow and what we don't. I think we all can agree that any Ast Coach standing and yelling at officials is over the line.

I, for one, am not OK with the assistants standing. It's not supported by rule, we already have one coach we have to watch out for while along the sideline and it makes it easier to grant timeouts when only 1 person is standing. I will ask nicely the first time, then warn the second time.

Adam Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 732509)
I disagree. I address the assistant a lot when needed. I just make sure I say this where the head coach is aware. But they are adults too. I just give them a much shorter rope.

Peace

I will answer questions from an AC if they're a) legitimate as judged by me and b) politely/respectfully asked.

This means I don't actually answer many questions from ACs during a given season, but oh well. In all seriousness, it's easier for me here as most assistant coaches already know this and simply coach the kids.

JRutledge Mon Feb 21, 2011 02:29pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 732517)
I will answer questions from an AC if they're a) legitimate as judged by me and b) politely/respectfully asked.

This means I don't actually answer many questions from ACs during a given season, but oh well. In all seriousness, it's easier for me here as most assistant coaches already know this and simply coach the kids.

I am not really talking about answering questions. I will tell an assistant what they need to do directly. Of course anyone asks a question by themselves I will answer. But if Assistant coaches are talking when the Head Coach is talking to me, that is not going to happen. Again, not saying I tolerate this, just not the first action is a T. It is usually with a direct comment to them while the HC is standing right there.

Peace

bainsey Mon Feb 21, 2011 02:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 732517)
I will answer questions from an AC if they're a) legitimate as judged by me and b) politely/respectfully asked.

+1

If an AC is standing and coaching, I'll deal with the head coach. I only to deal with it once this year.

"Coach, only you can be standing here. Your assistant can't."

"Oh, got it. Hey Jerry, SIT DOWN!"


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