over and back
 

Team A shoots the ball, ball hits the rim then deflects off of one of team A's players, the ball proceeds to go backcourt, team A recovers ball. Is this over and back? Team B had NO contact with the ball during all of this.

Tell us, did Team A control the ball after the shot?

No backcourt violation.

When A shot the ball, they ended their team control. The subsequent deflection does not assign team control to Team A (or B for that matter).

There are 4 requirements for a BC violation:

• Team A has team control
• The ball obtains FC status
• Team A is the last to touch the ball
• Team A is the first to touch the ball after the ball obtains BC status. The position of A and the the position of the ball when A touches the ball, or is touched by the ball, is of no significance.

Since there was no team control, and such team control is 1/4 points above, there cannot be a BC violation.

No. Team control ended on the shot and was never re-established, so there was never front court control. Without control in the front court, there can be no backcourt violation.

You should edit the last point. It should read:

Team A is the first to touch the ball after it has achieved a backcourt status. The ball need not be touched in the backcourt.

k
 

K, so since team A didn't regain possession after the shot it is NOT over and back. Thanks for the clarification guys.

Thanks. The pesky cases where the ball Englishes back to the FC or A reaches across the DL to grab the ball....

Yep, simple play that you don't know the ruling for, but you're ready to replace all the over the hill guys.

Right.

just a simple question old man, don't get your depends in a bunch.

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And after I posted the picture, he PMs me this:

So we know he's on the west coast. Perhaps southern California?

Are you serious? I'm really confused... alzheimer's?

read where it says "LOCATION" in the top right corner of the posts. GJ (good Job) i cant believe your still being an a$$ about an old 'troll' post. Grow up old man.

Piss off, dickhead. We're over our azzhole quota.

You very obviously know squat about officiating but yet you still spend all your time here making wise-azz remarks instead of asking intelligent questions. If you just want to troll instead of trying to learn something, find someplace else to do it.

Just what we need....more f**king trolls. :rolleyes:

Come on now, that's enough. Your not going anywhere positive with this. Just stop. Its a legit question and you come here just to be a jerk. Seriously. Grow up.

Lemme guess.....early 20's.....worked some rec league games in one of Mark Padgett's Hot Mom neighborhood leagues out there.....never worked a legitimate high school game of any kind in your life.....never received any formal officiating training of any kind....may have access to an old rule book but don't have a current rule book....don't have a clue what a case book is, let alone a mechanics manual.....thinks it's a hoot to stir up the real officials.

That just about cover your resume?

Your kind isn't new here. Unfortunately, you show up on a semi-regular basis. The good thing is that none of you last. You either get tired of trolling or the mods get rid of you. And your personal past-due date here was last week. So, why not just shoo now instead of delaying the inevitable?

Also edit the third point -- A need not touch the ball in the FC

No, you're the jerk. You started it with your negative insults last week and continue it in this thread.

There's nothing about you that's legit. This is a simple question that a first year official would ask about. So don't give us that BS that you could replace anyone on this forum.

It was a legit question, followed by a legit critique of your legit question.

Frankly, your question is only legit for newbies who have no business working a high school game of any level. Given your recent history on here of shooting off your mouth about older officials, you frankly earned that response.

For Some Reason, I Just Never Pictured Jurassic Referee As A Blond ...
 

Don't you have a television show on CBS at 10:00 p.m. every Thursday night?

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Move Along, Nothing to See Here Folks, The Mythbusters Have This Covered ...
 

During a throwin, even under a team’s own basket, if the throwin is deflected, tipped, or batted by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in the backcourt; or after a missed field goal attempt or a missed foul shot attempt, if the ball is deflected, tipped, or batted by an offensive player in the frontcourt to an offensive player in the backcourt; these are not a backcourt violations. In both cases team control, a player holding or dribbling the ball, has not yet been established.

Hey now, don't lump all of us together with this guy. :p

That show is nothing more than a rip off of a much better show - PSYCH
Of course, that show has a sense of humor........