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Loudwhistle2 Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:04pm

Snappy Response?
 
Called a shooting foul last night because a player grabbed the shooters bicep and prevented the shot from being released. Report foul, coach wants explanation of why we are shooting free throws. I tell him the shooter was in the habitual shooting motion when he was grabbed on the arm. Coach says, "but he never released the ball!" I say, " he doesn't have to, he only has to start his shooting motion." Coach says, "I've never heard that before!" I snap back, "check the rule book!" He sort of glares at me. I haven't ever said my last comment to a coach and its kind of bothering me, any suggestions on a better reply?

Raymond Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:10pm

"Coach, he was attempting to shoot and the foul prevented him from releasing the ball". That would have been my first response.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:10pm

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Originally Posted by loudwhistle2 (Post 730902)
i haven't ever said my last comment to a coach and its kind of bothering me, any suggestions on a better reply?

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just another ref Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:12pm

"Two shots."

JugglingReferee Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2 (Post 730902)
Called a shooting foul last night because a player grabbed the shooters bicep and prevented the shot from being released. Report foul, coach wants explanation of why we are shooting free throws. I tell him the shooter was in the habitual shooting motion when he was grabbed on the arm. Coach says, "but he never released the ball!" I say, " he doesn't have to, he only has to start his shooting motion." Coach says, "I've never heard that before!" I snap back, "check the rule book!" He sort of glares at me. I haven't ever said my last comment to a coach and its kind of bothering me, any suggestions on a better reply?

If you feel a need to reply to "I've never heard that before!", how about "Ya, it's in there," or, "Ok, coach." But I don't see a need to reply to his last comment.

"Check the rule book" is a command, which isn't a necessary thing to say. "Ya, it's in there" is just a confirmation that you know the rule, which is, imho, a better response. But since you did say "...start his shooting motion", I think you said exactly what needed to be said and you could have left it there.

APG Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:14pm

Skip the last comment you said. Problem solved.

ThatOneRef Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:17pm

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2 (Post 730902)
Called a shooting foul last night because a player grabbed the shooters bicep and prevented the shot from being released. Report foul, coach wants explanation of why we are shooting free throws. I tell him the shooter was in the habitual shooting motion when he was grabbed on the arm. Coach says, "but he never released the ball!" I say, " he doesn't have to, he only has to start his shooting motion." Coach says, "I've never heard that before!" I snap back, "check the rule book!" He sort of glares at me. I haven't ever said my last comment to a coach and its kind of bothering me, any suggestions on a better reply?

Hand him the rule book instead. lol. i thought your comment was well justified and not at all demeaning in any way. Dont worry yourself about it too much

tref Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:30pm

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2 (Post 730902)
Called a shooting foul last night because a player grabbed the shooters bicep and prevented the shot from being released. Report foul, coach wants explanation of why we are shooting free throws. I tell him the shooter was in the habitual shooting motion when he was grabbed on the arm. Coach says, "but he never released the ball!"

Personally, thats where my coversation with coach would end.

He asked a question, you answered it!

JFlores Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:37pm

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2 (Post 730902)
Called a shooting foul last night because a player grabbed the shooters bicep and prevented the shot from being released. Report foul, coach wants explanation of why we are shooting free throws. I tell him the shooter was in the habitual shooting motion when he was grabbed on the arm. Coach says, "but he never released the ball!" I say, " he doesn't have to, he only has to start his shooting motion." Coach says, "I've never heard that before!" I snap back, "check the rule book!" He sort of glares at me. I haven't ever said my last comment to a coach and its kind of bothering me, any suggestions on a better reply?

"Check the rule book, sir"

Judtech Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:40pm

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2 (Post 730902)
Called a shooting foul last night because a player grabbed the shooters bicep and prevented the shot from being released. Report foul, coach wants explanation of why we are shooting free throws. I tell him the shooter was in the habitual shooting motion when he was grabbed on the arm. Coach says, "but he never released the ball!" I say, " he doesn't have to, he only has to start his shooting motion." Coach says, "I've never heard that before!" I snap back, "check the rule book!" He sort of glares at me. I haven't ever said my last comment to a coach and its kind of bothering me, any suggestions on a better reply?

"Then you might want to get your hearing aid checked":eek:

JRutledge Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:47pm

I wish I had a dollar every time I hear a coach say this. Which is why I do not worry about what they think, the call is going to be the same. ;)

Peace

Adam Wed Feb 16, 2011 04:52pm

"Coach, do you really think we should punish a shooter because the defender's foul prevented him from releasing the shot?"

In reality, I'm saying what bob said.

DesMoines Wed Feb 16, 2011 09:15pm

1) Always listen to Bob.

2) I've also heard, "She hasn't had that called on her all year!!" At halftime, one of my partners told me he made the same call on the same player the previous week.

eyezen Wed Feb 16, 2011 09:32pm

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Originally Posted by ThatOneRef (Post 730914)
Hand him the rule book instead. lol. i thought your comment was well justified and not at all demeaning in any way. Dont worry yourself about it too much

Hey new guy, shape up or ship out.

Bad Zebra Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:44pm

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Originally Posted by ThatOneRef (Post 730914)
Hand him the rule book instead. lol. i thought your comment was well justified and not at all demeaning in any way. Dont worry yourself about it too much

:eek: That's just bad advice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2 (Post 730902)
...I snap back, "check the rule book!" He sort of glares at me. I haven't ever said my last comment to a coach and its kind of bothering me, any suggestions on a better reply?

You're instincts are right...it should bother you. It's probably well deserved by the coach, but it's inappropriate. We're paid to be more professional than your response indicates.

BktBallRef Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:26pm

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Originally Posted by ThatOneRef (Post 730914)
Hand him the rule book instead. lol. i thought your comment was well justified and not at all demeaning in any way. Dont worry yourself about it too much

It's amazing. You've been here about 5 minutes and you've already distinguished yourself has being totally clueless.

APG Wed Feb 16, 2011 11:27pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 731038)
It's amazing. You've been here about 5 minutes and you've already distinguished yourself has being totally clueless.

It's Old Schoolese.

NoFussRef Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:18am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 731038)
It's amazing. You've been here about 5 minutes and you've already distinguished yourself has being totally clueless.

Ouch! :eek:
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I recently heard "ThatOneRef" say something to the effect of "When dealing with coaches be R-E-S-P-E-C-T-F-U-L" :p

If coach were to hand you a rule book you would whack him.

chartrusepengui Thu Feb 17, 2011 09:10am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 730906)
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+10

ref3808 Thu Feb 17, 2011 09:57am

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I'm reporting the foul and getting back to where I need to be.

No reply.

If the coach doesn't know that rule it's pretty scary that he's coaching basketball at any level.

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:38am

You gave one explanation. You don't need verb declensions to explain it further.

Loudwhistle2 Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:47am

Thanks for the responses! One of my many weak areas is dealing with coaches. I avoid them for the most part and stay as far away from them as possible. When they do question a call, which is fine as long as its not disrespectful, I try to address the question professionally with rules jargon. Next time, I'll just say why I called it and that's it!!!

Scrapper1 Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:01am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 730930)
I wish I had a dollar every time I hear a coach say this. Which is why I do not worry about what they think, the call is going to be the same. ;)

Agree.

refiator Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:50am

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2 (Post 731235)
Thanks for the responses! One of my many weak areas is dealing with coaches. I avoid them for the most part and stay as far away from them as possible. When they do question a call, which is fine as long as its not disrespectful, I try to address the question professionally with rules jargon. Next time, I'll just say why I called it and that's it!!!

Do not avoid coaches. Our biggest obstacle is that coaches feel we are unapproachable. Answer their questions but let them know that you will not acknowledge their comments. Do so in a professional manner, even if you do no more than nod your head. All they want is to feel like you are listening to them.


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