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Mark Padgett Sun Feb 13, 2011 01:34pm

Kid couldn't take the hint
 
Boys HS rec - first period ends and as they come off the court, A1 jumps up and snaps the rim on the basket. Partner T's him up. Third period ends and as they come off the court, A1 does it again. Partner T's him up again and he is ejected. Game over, A1 does it again. Called and recorded the T since we were still on the court, but didn't have to shoot FTs because team A lost by almost 20. My partner is sending a report in to the rec league Board and it's likely this kid will be suspended for one game.

grunewar Sun Feb 13, 2011 01:43pm

A few yrs ago in a HS Rec League I had a player come out of a TO run over to the basket, grab the net, and then the rim and do a chin up.

WHACK!

Coach says, c'mon ref, there's only a few secs left and we're down by a bunch, why do you have to go and do that?

Me. :eek: Coach, are we going to let everyone do that? Is that Ok?

As a famous (or infamous) Forum Member would say, "Silly Monkeys!"

NoFussRef Sun Feb 13, 2011 03:33pm

HS Rec Boys. Halftime. A1 uses net to climb up on rim, whack A-1. Just as quickly as A1 comes down A2 runs up and grabs rim, whack A-2. Gotta love the learning curve in some of the "rat-ball" games.

Do have a question though...

Our league follows "3 unsporting Ts on any 1 team = game-over/forfeit."
What does a "half-time dunking T" fall under?

Never had it happen but wonder if partner and I are going home early with pay if A1,A2, and A3 are knuckle-headed enough to whacked.

APG Sun Feb 13, 2011 03:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoFussRef (Post 729612)
HS Rec Boys. Halftime. A1 uses net to climb up on rim, whack A-1. Just as quickly as A1 comes down A2 runs up and grabs rim, whack A-2. Gotta love the learning curve in some of the "rat-ball" games.

Do have a question though...

Our league follows "3 unsporting Ts on any 1 team = game-over/forfeit."
What does a "half-time dunking T" fall under?

Never had it happen but wonder if partner and I are going home early with pay if A1,A2, and A3 are knuckle-headed enough to whacked.

That's something for your league to decide.

NoFussRef Sun Feb 13, 2011 03:43pm

(NFHS)
(Our league follows "3 unsporting Ts on any 1 team = game-over/forfeit.")

What does a "half-time dunking T" fall under?

Jurassic Referee Sun Feb 13, 2011 03:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoFussRef (Post 729617)
(NFHS)
(Our league follows "3 unsporting Ts on any 1 team = game-over/forfeit.")

What does a "half-time dunking T" fall under?

Under NFHS rules, during half-time all team members are regarded as bench personnel. As such, anybody dunking the ball is charged with an unsporting "T" as per rule 10-4-1(i). The head coach also gets charged with an indirect "T" for each dunk.

Rec leagues? Check your local listing.

bob jenkins Sun Feb 13, 2011 03:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofussref (Post 729617)
(nfhs)
(our league follows "3 unsporting ts on any 1 team = game-over/forfeit.")

what does a "half-time dunking t" fall under?

10-3-3

Mark Padgett Sun Feb 13, 2011 03:57pm

So, NoFussRef - where in Oregon are you located?

Jurassic Referee Sun Feb 13, 2011 03:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 729622)
10-3-3

At half time?

bob jenkins Sun Feb 13, 2011 04:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 729625)
At half time?

"or during any intermission."

just another ref Sun Feb 13, 2011 04:13pm

10-4-1i

Jurassic Referee Sun Feb 13, 2011 04:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 729628)
"or during any intermission."

I agree. During any intermission, all team members are bench personnel and are penalized accordingly. And that's why rule 10-4-1(i) is applicable in the OP instead of 10-3-3 imo. We teach our guys to use 10-3-3 during a period and 10-4-1(i) during intermissions.

Mark Padgett Sun Feb 13, 2011 05:44pm

BTW - having the indirects against the coach to lose his right to stand in the box was irrelevant because our local kids rec league doesn't recognize a coaching box. Over half our Board members are also referees, so who do you think makes the rules? It's good to be the king.

Next season, I think we're going back to all running clock games.

bob jenkins Sun Feb 13, 2011 07:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee (Post 729632)
I agree. During any intermission, all team members are bench personnel and are penalized accordingly. And that's why rule 10-4-1(i) is applicable in the OP instead of 10-3-3 imo. We teach our guys to use 10-3-3 during a period and 10-4-1(i) during intermissions.

Interesting.

In an "unnanounced" change (iirc), FED added 10-4-1(i) and removed "during an intermission" from 10-3-3 between the 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 books.

Thanks to JR and JAR for pointing that out

BillyMac Sun Feb 13, 2011 08:18pm

Apologies To Artie Johnson ...
 
When a player dunks a dead ball, it not an "unsporting" technical foul.

When bench personnel dunks a dead ball, it is an "unsporting" technical foul.

Interesting. Very interesting.


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