"I Touched It Last"
 

I don't know if you have seen the commercial were the officials in a game call out of bounds off of a certain player, then during a timeout the kid tells his Coach that he touched it last and wants to do the right thing. He then goes and tells the official that he was the last to touch the ball.
Would change your call if this happened to you??

Absolutely not!

If they want to make it "right" violate the throw-in...

Absolutely not. That commercial is absolutely unrealistic.

High school? Probably unrealistic. Middle school? Maybe. Youth/rec at any level? Not unrealistic at all.

If you want to forfeit the throw-in, I won't stop you (free-throws are a different matter), nor would I waste anyone's time suggesting to violate.

I could MAYBE see a player saying something immediately when the play occurred, but after an official already ruled on the play and after a timeout? Have a hard time seeing that at any level.

Now if a team wants to violate, then none of us should stop them from doing so.

I work a church youth league where 'honor calls' are encouraged. It works fine on an out of bounds call, but I don't accept honor calls on fouls. As we all know, players don't always know what a foul is and it doesn't help me control the game at all when the offense says "He didn't touch me". With good kids, however, the out of bounds honor call is a good thing.

In HS, no way, never would I let a player reverse any call.

The thing is, sometimes a player may think he touched it last when he didn't.

Right. I didn't take the time-out into consideration, just the correction, and I'd be cool with that.

Absolutely true. But just from experience, players are a lot more reliable on OOB calls than on fouls.

It is also true that accepting any kind of input from players inherently penalizes the honest player, so it would never work in a highly competitive league.

I could not imagine changing my call, I was curious how you others may handle it.

From a Game A few Yrs back.....
 

I was doing the first of my two "All-Star" Games. B7/8. Yep, this is the only 7 and 8 yr old game I do all year......and, it's a solo act.

Pretty good game really. Of course, at this age as long as you know a foul, travel, and a jump ball, you can pretty much call the game!

Anyhow, late in the third quarter I'm at the foul line extended, and the ball is shot from my side, misses everything is pin-balled around on the other side of the court and I am horribly screened. Ball goes out of bounds. I thought it was off blue and announce it as such. White ball.

As I am about to put the ball in play, a little boy 23W comes over to me and says in a very soft voice, "Mr. Official, the ball was off me, it should be blue ball." Me - :)

I announce to the gym, "Ladies and gentlemen, this young man said the ball was off him. Blue ball."

And don't ya know the parents and fans applauded the little boy's honesty. Really a great moment and great way to end the yr.

So yes, in that case, I changed my call.

Had it happen a few years ago, minus the timeout...It was a blowout in the home teams favor. Second half out of bounds call as the ball is skip passed from one side to the other. My partner gave it to the visitors. As I am trying to inbound the ball the kid tells me he touched it last and doesn't want to throw it in. I tried to reason with him but he didn't want to soooo I talked to my partner and we gave it to home....by the way...HS varsity boys

Bartleby the Inbounder?

I had a situation a couple of years ago, where the ball went out of bounds and I was screened so I missed who touched it last. I looked at partner and they couldn't help so I went AP. A lady right in front of the play that I knew told me it was off white. I told her I believed her but the only person I could accept advice from is another reff, but thanks. This was one of the gals that Mark speaks of sometimes!

Ooh, a Melville reference on the forum!

I've seen the commercial and quite frankly, I don't see him touching the ball ... unless the camera had a bad angle. :D

Would you change the call if he told you it went off the opponent? :)

No. Nice commercial but no.

I have to wonder if some who say they would never change a call -- under any circumstances -- are motivated by fear that they may lose control.

Nope.

Id give it to the kid, If he wants to be honest and do the right thing, by god, so be it. If only more people were like this in everyday life the world would be so much better...

But if more players were like this, their teams would lose more often.

Never admit guilt.

I would have more respect for a player if they just did not try to contest out of bounds call when they know we got it right the first time.

Peace

Agreed.

And even in that video, I can't tell if he touched it or not.

Who wrote they would never change a call under any circumstance? :confused:

Old School? No, not him.......
 

B13U game the other day and I call a foul on W13......and he raises his hand high in the air to show it was on him. Me = :cool:

As I report it to the table, I said to the coach, "There's something you don't see much anymore."

Misty Watercolored Memories ...
 

... Of The Way We Were.

Wasn't that a rule that required such action?

Peace

When I played in H.S. our coach required us to. I have no idea if it was a rule, I was a player then and of course had never read a rule book. :p

IIRC, fouler raising hand was a valid rule until about 197?. Penalty=tech
Where's MTD, Sr? Either he or Jurassic will chime in with the exact answer.

You remember correctly. The hand had to to go straight up..no crooked elbows. And it was an automatic "T" if you wiggled your fingers or waved your hand to show displeasure.

Terrible rule, more trouble than it was ever worth. Universally hated by officials except for a few OOO's. It was put in supposedly to help the scorers because officials weren't communicating #s to them properly. So instead of attacking the real problem...which was reporting mechanics....they put in this dumb alternative.

I was thinking it was a rule while I played junior high ball and was removed about the time I started high school. Would have been around the late 80s, if so, but it's not unlikely that it was just a remnant and the ms refs in my particular area were still enforcing a non-rule.