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Eastshire Tue Feb 08, 2011 01:40pm
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Originally Posted by NoFussRef (Post 727728)
So I missed questions #2 and #15. Good to go on the rest.

Help me out on #2.
2. Team A has three subs enter the court and their team captain asks for a lineup. Official denies request. Correct?

In a youth game, especially with any mods on no-zone defense I always line em up or ask if everyone knows who they are guarding before inbounding. However if I ran into this in a Quad-A or HS game I would have failed it.

Can anyone cite (NFHS) where it says official must grant a team the opportunity to match up after subs come in?


I decided to through #15 out the window because it appears to be something the School or the League has the control over. If coach gets 2 directs and a ticket to ride I don't have any care in the world as to what the AD does with him later.

15. For the coach in question 14, (2 T-fouls and ejected), the athletic director decides the coach won’t do the next scheduled game. Correct?

Is this something the officials are supposed to be involved with?
Check 3-3-1e for the match up. As for suspensions, that's none of our business but it is useful to understand your league's or state's policy.

bainsey Tue Feb 08, 2011 01:50pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 727733)
The state of Maine may have a rule that automatically suspends a coach.
I could be wrong, but I don't know of any such rule in our state. Perhaps that's what the author was addressing.

By the way, I'm trying to explain #3 to someone.
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3. Player A2 jumps out of bounds in his frontcourt on the endline and taps the ball into his frontcourt, then steps in bounds and picks the ball up without any other player touching the ball. Official rules violation. Correct? ... NO
I don't think this was worded perfectly, but I catch his drift. Can anyone help me with a rules/case citation?

26 Year Gap Tue Feb 08, 2011 01:52pm
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 727705)
Cim should have closed with that sentence!

It's like the guy sitting near me at this past weekend's UMBC/Maine game, berating stripes, then turning to me asking, "What's the rule on that?"
And, I hope your reply was, "You've got them all right so far. You tell me."

RadioBlue Tue Feb 08, 2011 01:52pm
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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 727734)
Check 3-3-1e for the match up. As for suspensions, that's none of our business but it is useful to understand your league's or state's policy.
Can somebody explain to me how this matchup thing works in reality?

Adam Tue Feb 08, 2011 01:59pm
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 727738)
I could be wrong, but I don't know of any such rule in our state. Perhaps that's what the author was addressing.
If Maine doesn't have any such rule, then the AD could certainly decide the coach will sit out the next game. I'm assuming your state does have the rule in place. I could be wrong, but if I am, I'd say the author is wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 727738)
By the way, I'm trying to explain #3 to someone.


I don't think this was worded perfectly, but I catch his drift. Can anyone help me with a rules/case citation?
Look for the definitions of player location and ball location. I think the question is supposed to address the myth that it's a violation for a player to return to the court and be the first to touch the ball.

Adam Tue Feb 08, 2011 02:02pm
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Originally Posted by RadioBlue (Post 727742)
Can somebody explain to me how this matchup thing works in reality?
For me, I'd simply give the requesting team a quick few seconds to match up. I've never had it come up, though.

26 Year Gap Tue Feb 08, 2011 02:12pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 727746)
If Maine doesn't have any such rule, then the AD could certainly decide the coach will sit out the next game. I'm assuming your state does have the rule in place. I could be wrong, but if I am, I'd say the author is wrong.



Look for the definitions of player location and ball location. I think the question is supposed to address the myth that it's a violation for a player to return to the court and be the first to touch the ball.
I think the author meant the player went out of bounds but was in the air and had not touched OOB when he tapped the ball. He then landed and went back in bounds as described and was first to touch.

bainsey Tue Feb 08, 2011 02:19pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 727746)
I think the question is supposed to address the myth that it's a violation for a player to return to the court and be the first to touch the ball.
That's what I'm thinking. I looked at player/ball location, and I see no cases which answer the question specifically.

I suppose one way to word an explanation is, "The ball is where you were when you last touched it. If you didn't touch it out of bounds, it isn't out of bounds. However, if you step on the line during a dribble, then you're out of of bounds." Thoughts?

bob jenkins Tue Feb 08, 2011 02:28pm
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 727760)
That's what I'm thinking. I looked at player/ball location, and I see no cases which answer the question specifically.

I suppose one way to word an explanation is, "The ball is where you were when you last touched it. If you didn't touch it out of bounds, it isn't out of bounds. However, if you step on the line during a dribble, then you're out of of bounds." Thoughts?
That's one way.

I prefer "There's no such violation."

Maineac Tue Feb 08, 2011 02:30pm
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 727738)
I could be wrong, but I don't know of any such rule in our state. Perhaps that's what the author was addressing.
There is such a rule in our state. Ejection from a game carries an automatic suspension for the next game of the same level. A situation similar to question #15 was applied within the last month. Varsity game in Central Maine, coach is ejected for back to back direct T's. Coach is suspended automatically for the next game. The school then followed that up by sitting the coach for the game following that one.

YooperRef Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:50pm
Regarding question #2. I always understood the rule to mean the opposing team could request a matchup if there were three or more subs entering the game. I never thought about the team making the substitutions requesting a matchup. Now I see the rule says "a captain may request.....", but doesn't specify either team. I'm still waiting for someone to request this during a game.

reffish Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:52pm
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Originally Posted by RadioBlue (Post 727742)
Can somebody explain to me how this matchup thing works in reality?
When a team subs three or more player, the coach or captain (either the mute or speaking captain) can request a match-up; that is call out who they will guard and make sure everyone is accounted for. In over 8 years, I had my first match-up request this season. It was cool to grant.

bainsey Tue Feb 08, 2011 04:01pm
There are a handful of middle school girls games where they match-up every single time they come out of a time-out or intermission. You could place the ball on the floor and start counting if you really wanted to, but in these games, they just wouldn't understand why. One might even pick up the ball and hand it to you ("you dropped this, sir").


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