What are "we" telling coaches?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

In the past week of varsity games I have been told by 3 different coaches that they have never heard that the defender doesn't have to be "set" to take a charge. I know I am going to hear that I shouldn't believe what they are saying, but in all honesty, I believe them. They think the defender needs to be set to take a charge. I explain legal guarding position and all that, and they look like a deer in headlights.

What are other refs telling coaches? Why is this such a difficult concept to understand?

Are you saying that coaches are telling you this based on what officials are telling them?

I do not tell coaches anything but that they were in LGP or they were not in LGP. Even if they try to tell me that a player was set or not, I then ask them, "What does set have to do with LGP?" There is a different concept of understanding because coaches never pick up a rulebook and do what most that played and coach do, go by what they think the rule is rather than what is the actual rules wording. I have even heard TV commentators use the term LGP and not explain the rule correctly. Sorry, but coaches think a lot of things without us telling them anything.

Peace

[Rock Chalk]

I never use the word set when talking about charge/block, i only use LGP. And yes, they are telling me they are being told by other officials that players are set or not.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

I never use the word set when talking about charge/block, i only use LGP. And yes, they are telling me they are being told by other officials that players are set or not.

Then believe them. That is your choice. But I do not believe most of what comes out of their coach's mouths as I have asked them specifically and when you talk to the official there is a different story. Life is about choices man.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

But I do not believe most of what comes out of their coach's mouths as I have asked them specifically and when you talk to the official there is a different story.

+1

And that is why you should always get both sides, folks.

[Adam]

what they've been told and what they've heard are often two separate things.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

I never use the word set when talking about charge/block, i only use LGP. And yes, they are telling me they are being told by other officials that players are set or not.

Coaches lie, especially about what another officials supposedly told them.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by badnewsref

coaches lie, especially about what another officials supposedly told them.

+1.....

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

I never use the word set when talking about charge/block, i only use LGP. And yes, they are telling me they are being told by other officials that players are set or not.

+1. As noted previously, this erroneous information has been passed on to a coaching staff I am familiar with. Along with all sorts of interesting "interpretations".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Judtech

+1. As noted previously, this erroneous information has been passed on to a coaching staff I am familiar with. Along with all sorts of interesting "interpretations".

I don't question the questionable interpretations that get passed to coaches over the years. I do, however, question his statement that he's "never" heard about LGP.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I don't question the questionable interpretations that get passed to coaches over the years. I do, however, question his statement that he's "never" heard about LGP.

I will go with that. But I also have heard OFFICIALS say they have never heard of it either!! Honestly, you should see some of the looks the Mrs gets when she asks "Why did you think she was not in LGP?"

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I will go with that. But I also have heard OFFICIALS say they have never heard of it either!! Honestly, you should see some of the looks the Mrs gets when she asks "Why did you think she was not in LGP?"

This is at least somewhat true. I hear fellow officials talk about "over the back", "reaching", and "He wasn't set" all the time. I also see other officials move all the players behind the division line during technical FTs, among other things.

[Rock Chalk]

Originally Posted by zm1283

This is at least somewhat true. I hear fellow officials talk about "over the back", "reaching", and "He wasn't set" all the time. I also see other officials move all the players behind the division line during technical FTs, among other things.

This is what I am talking about.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Judtech

I will go with that. But I also have heard OFFICIALS say they have never heard of it either!! Honestly, you should see some of the looks the Mrs gets when she asks "Why did you think she was not in LGP?"

Those officials are just wondering what you're wife is talking about, since no coach knows what legal guarding position is.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Those officials are just wondering what you're wife is talking about, since no coach knows what legal guarding position is.

Well played, well played. I can neither confirm nor deny where she got the idea to use that type of verbiage.